New Hampshire Defining Actions by which they can FIRE the U.S. Government

reply to post by DarrylGalasso


That sir is an excellent post. In times like this I refer to TJ because his common sense just glows in situations like we see today. If it wasnt so damn much money to buy land and crap in NH I would move there. First they tried bringing sound money and now this. God that is what America is about.....

I hope you all realize that his has more to do with the current state of financial affairs than it does with personal liberties actually being sought. As of last month (Jan. 2009) there are 46 of the 50 continental states set to go the way of California.
This bill is a way to keep the Federal Government from imposing Martial Law and complete control on any said state and allowing said state to police themselves as per the articles set forth in the Constitution of the United States of America.
This bill in its self allows each state to fall back on the original laws set forth by our founding fathers and not allow any more police state measures to be enacted in ANY said state that chooses to adopt this bill.

The secondary clauses allows each state to choose not to allow their citizens to be forced into work furloughs for the Federal Government for free and against their will by the signing of a Executive Order from the President. It also allows them to state that they are still under the Constitution of the United States of America, this part makes me worry. As we all know 2/3's of the population is now living and has been living in Constitution free zones due to the Patriot Act. The ACLU has been fighting it for some time now.

Perhaps more than anything on this bill we should look very closely at this push in the bill towards protecting the Constitution and why they would need to put this wording in the bill in the first place. What has been signed into law by the President that would allow them to override the Constitution? I have tried for a few minutes now to search the last bills of Bush and new bills by Obama and am having difficulty finding them. Perhaps someone on here can look further at this time.(my kids are up)

Third what bothers me over this is the possibility of the states separating, severing ties and becoming their own ruling bodies. We all are aware that not all states are on the board with the true laws set forth with in our nation by our founding fathers. This leads me to believe that perhaps this could also be a way to separate the country further causing more strife and unrest. I really hope this part is wrong and that the bill is meant to help and assist all states and their citizens. We do need to stand up for our rights as the citizens of this country. But not as a divided country, we must stick together because frankly separated we fail.
Pay very close attention to any more wording being changed or amended in this bill, as said changes on any level could spell disaster. Taking a previously good bill and allowing it to become a tool for TPTB.

reply to post by lastmanstanding


I just googled "utah state legislature email address" and found mine. there was a sight that gave me contact info for my local gov.

it's what we're supposed to do, isn't it? why'd it take this long is my question. (although i do believe this isn't the first time they've done something like this in the live-free-or-die state.)

If several states were to engage in the identical principles, it would not lead to independent states necessarily.

What it would do would be to draw a clear line, enabling the Federal Government to get back to doing what it was originally intended to do, and get off everyone's back!

Right now, our highly centralized Washington government is a choke point that is strangling citizens and states. We throw off this choker, and they will have no choice but to regroup and realize that the cushy gig they had grown accustomed to will no longer be in operation.

Maybe then, we can move toward a fair tax, and eliminate spending beyond intake.

A growing, powerful, free, prosperous US of A.

After all, that's what 95% of Americans desire.

However, I would move that they strike the part about Involuntary Servitude, Peonage, and Slavery Exceptions, from all Laws and the 13th Amendment.

If you want to Abolish Slavery, Abolish it, don't allow it under the guise of an Exception and call it Abolished.

And maybe, Officially Ratify the 16th Amendment, so, it can't be used against us later that it's not.

And, require that any such Vote on a change of Government be a Democratic Vote of the People, and not a Representative Republic vote of a Representative and/ or an Electoral College.

Or else, you'll find this is a slippery way to get the ratification to alter Government that they need. See, two thirds of the States will Ratify, they might already have it planned to so do, some will not. People will move where it is not, until, they have to cut the populace off, so, some will be stuck in the new government by force.

Those who escape will find themselves guilty of a crime if they revolt against the US's actions and will be rendered Slaves even within the Resisting States. The new government will cut off Aid and Resources to the State, until, they comply with their wishes, like they do with Block Grants, Funds, Contracts, Stimulus Packages, Bailouts, Doles,etc., now.

In time, even the Resistant States will InCorporate, or Fail, and be taken anyways.

All Resistors will be Fined/ Incarcerated, EnSlaved and/ or Laboured out under Involuntary Servitude, Peonage, or Slavery for their crimes. Despite our Declaration of Independance and Federalist Paper's giving us the Right.

Make sure this is worded right, and, take ALL Exceptions out.

And, Ratify the Missing 13th Amendment, as well, so that Honors, Titles, Nobilities, Emoluments, and Demographic/ Political- type Exemptions are not to be allowed in the USA, by State and Federal Constitutional Law.

And, keep this Country Democratic.

It may have the Republic aspect, etc. As long as it is, say, a Democratic Republic or Republican Democratic System, etc. As long as Democratic Democracy is at it's core.

Anymore, that is not the case. Democrats are Socialists and Republicans are Nationalists. They are just guised as Democratic and Republican forms, whether left, right, or center of their cause. That is whether they are for their side only, or a balance of both, or both with a leaning towards the other.

When We actually have a Social Nationalist or National Socialist Government. Guised as a Democratic Republic or Republican Democracy.
Don't you argue the Law from your point of view, without questioning whether it's actually Democratic, Republic, etc. or not. I mean, a federal Act that says you can have money if your Laws reflect such and such and meet with their respective Federal Secretaries approval, or, you can't have any money, or, a Limited amount, dangle's a carrot on a stick that who, you, or, your representative, really had a say about? Nope, they are your fiduciary representatives, it is their job to get all the money for you they can. That sort of bribery is Communistic. And saying who can be in office to recieve it. That is Dictated Tyranny.

And, get rid of the National Socialist, Paren's Patrae "Father of the Country" Laws ,so, they quit treating our kids like State Property and stealing them under Intellectual and Physical Property rights, as well as, treating them as Natural resources under Natural resource Laws. End the Psycho Physics of our children, too. They are not Social engineering Structures or Sub Structures.

And stop Incorporating Citizen's into Corporation's so that we are subject only to Common Law and Not Statutory Law. And stop Universallizing Laws so that each State loses it's Independant Identity. We are John of the family of Doe, or, John: Doe, not JOHN DOE (All Caps).

Allow the Local Government's to line by line Ratify or Veto State Acts of

And, Allow State Government's to line by line Ratify or Veto Federal Acts of Legislature, Executive, Armed Forces, Judiciary and ALL Acts Public and Private.

And, Allow Federal Government's to line by line Ratify or Veto InterNational Acts of Legislature, Executive, Armed Forces, Judiciary and ALL Acts Public and Private.

These are to Include ALL Constitutions, Contracts and Treaties.

Abolish the Federal Reserve and the Tax System.

Income tax should be a flat percentage Tax applied to all. It is fair and balanced, having nothing to do with deserve, as economic balance should be weighed on an unfeeling scale.

That Flat Tax should only be used to keep necessary Government functioning, and not pay for the the Beauracracies and Sub- Beauracracies and their Organizations or Programs. That belongs to Competition and Free Market. If you don't trust them with secrets, convict them, otherwise, let them come and go based on Competition and Free Market. Hiring American only, and, requiring, they cannot funnel their money out of the Country, during their Contract Term, and before/ after, by, not less than, 5 Years.

Cap Capitolism. Just how Wealthy or Super Wealthy should individuals/ entities really get. How successful should one be allowed to get, and, at whose expense? There's nothing wrong with being Rich and Successful, but, those who go to their deathbeds, still, making that last bit of money, have something seriously disturbed in their psyche.

Copy this and send it to your local, State, Federal, and Inter National Leaders, too, along with the Bill.]

If they do not respond to the Affirmative of our Requests for redress of Our Grievances, then let's Formalize and Stage a Peaceful Protest, whereby, for one Week, we do not Work, and buy only that which is necessary, to send a strong and powerful financial message, to induce Business and Corporations, and those who Profit from them to Our side. And even induce all those who Bootleg and Traffick in illegal Contraband and Resources, to Protest by Abstinance for one week. No Dealer will kill or punish you, if evry one does it. That will turn the Criminal UnderGround to Our side, as well. Whether you like such things or not. They are a major source of Our problems, too. Let's remind the Super Wealthy and Super Powerful, just who outnumbers and bankrolls who.

And, if beyond that we must, we'll convince our employers, through such Protest cited above, to aid and abet with withholding from them Our Taxes, for one Financial Quarter or Annual term, to remind the Fed and the IRS, just who is in Charge.

[edit on 3-2-2009 by PhyberDragon]

Absolutely fantastic! I could hardly believe it when reading it. I hope it actually passes, although if it does I would imagine it would be challenged in federal court.

I am going to send this to my assemblyman here in California, one of only a few republican assemblymen left in the state. I am also planning on sending this to city officials. Perhaps if it gets adopted by enough cities it will really get going.

PL from California

Originally posted by PhyberDragonDemocrats are Socialists and Republicans are Nationalists. We actually have a Social Nationalist or National Socialist Government.

Hmmm.... National Socialism.....seems familiar. Maybe there's something about this in an old history book of mine.

Originally posted by skoalman88
While I like this kind of stuff, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks legislation of this sort would be used to incite people allowing the controllers to declare martial law.

i totally agree

this is clearly a bad sign

this means the NAU is at the doorstep!

so i disagree i think we should strike down this legislation, it wont solve the probelm guys, the problem is deeper than this way deeper

I just dont see how splitting the union like this will do anyone any good

its going to compound our problems infinitely
and in the ensuing chaos, the bad guys will get away scott free

Maybe the introduction of this bill in New Hampshire will help the reintroduction of a similar bill in Oklahoma.

And then, maybe we will see a huge movement of states introducing similar legislation.

That's HOPE I can believe in, and CHANGE I support

Whether it fails or not is becoming irrelevant to me.

In spite of everything I read everyday there seems to be some small rays of shine breaking through the clouds.. and this is just one more til sky a' blu

Originally posted by dooper
If several states were to engage in the identical principles, it would not lead to independent states necessarily.

What it would do would be to draw a clear line, enabling the Federal Government to get back to doing what it was originally intended to do, and get off everyone's back!

Right now, our highly centralized Washington government is a choke point that is strangling citizens and states. We throw off this choker, and they will have no choice but to regroup and realize that the cushy gig they had grown accustomed to will no longer be in operation.

Maybe then, we can move toward a fair tax, and eliminate spending beyond intake.

A growing, powerful, free, prosperous US of A.

After all, that's what 95% of Americans desire.

We dont agree much but we do agree here. Government has gone way to far outside its boundaries on its roll both here at home but its roll abroad. It says in the constitution any powers NOT given in this constitution is to be left up to the people and the states. Our government just DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS. Hey you want welfare and health insurance thats fine with me but its up to THE STATES to decide this and NOT the federal government. The federal government we set up to uphold the law, contracts, control our currency, and to have a military to DEFEND us from invading enemies both foreign and domestic. You dont need a HUGE military for this is what the 2nd amendment was for. General Yamamoto during WW2 always had this in mind if the Japanese were to invade the US. He knew that invading meant a gorilla warfare like no other because "people will be in the weeds all armed"


[edit on 3-2-2009 by tjeffersonsghost]

Originally posted by j2000
reply to post by thefreepatriot

 

NO!
Completely Wrong!!!!!!!

Lets help make it go thru!!!!

We all have to help!

It's either this or take up arms against our Fed. Govt.

I think contacting them and as many as you can about this is the only way.

Sorry, I was not flaming you, I just want to wake everyone up to the real crime in our great nation.

YOU ASBOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!!!! lets not hope it goes thru... LETS MAKE SURE IT GETS THRU!!!!!!!!


[edit on 3-2-2009 by thefreepatriot]

Originally posted by skoalman88
While I like this kind of stuff, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks legislation of this sort would be used to incite people allowing the controllers to declare martial law.

Please explain how this would work................They would no longer have the power to do so on a national level if this was to pass. If NH passes it, other states will follow with in two months. Many states.....

Oklahoma had the balls to pass illegal immigrant laws and it went around like wildfire in less than 6 months. Some states will, some won't.
Those that will not pass this bill, or one with the same intention, do not want to be free and independent.

I guess anyone that wants to have the Govt. cuddle them and control them can go to Calif.



[edit on 3-2-2009 by j2000]

why cant we make legislation to go arrest the tycoons who got us in this mess in the first place?

thats the kind of law + enforcement id like to see

then open all the secret files and find out what is really going on now
what is the truth we have been forbidden to see?

i think these things should come first before any legislation like in the OP would even be considered

so imo a better route of solving this would be

1)find the truth
2) find justice
3) then decide whats the best course from there

Originally posted by muzzleflash
why cant we make legislation to go arrest the tycoons who got us in this mess in the first place?

thats the kind of law + enforcement id like to see

then open all the secret files and find out what is really going on now
what is the truth we have been forbidden to see?

i think these things should come first before any legislation like in the OP would even be considered

so imo a better route of solving this would be

1)find the truth
2) find justice
3) then decide whats the best course from there

You clearly don't understand. The people have spoken. The Fed. Govt. will not listen. This NH bill holds a gun to thier head to do what the people will not what ever they want.
You will not get them to reveal anything with the way they control everything. You have to have an axe in your hand before you can cut the head off of the chicken.

Don't get me wrong, you are right in what you want. It's just you have to have the power to make it happen first. We have lost that power over 96 years, and given it freely away. You have to force it, to take it back.

You know I really want to be hopeful and not share a skeptical mindset but with all the pawns in the game my hopes are not as they should be. Politics is a debatable game of chess except the other player is controlled by many pulling strings and cheating. Either way very good post and I will likewise be doing what I can with this. If we can reclaim our rights I would love that more than anything! S&F!

Sadly I think the only way we will reclaim our rights is with revolution and civil war.

[edit on 3-2-2009 by N3krostatic]

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by skoalman88
While I like this kind of stuff, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks legislation of this sort would be used to incite people allowing the controllers to declare martial law.

I had this same thought. I am going to research these men that are sponsoring the bill and find out what backrounds they come from.

[edit on 3-2-2009 by ArioK]

What was the thing that Joe Biden talked about? Something about an incident, something happening, and people having to make a choice.. "and eventually we're going to be right?" if I remember correctly.

Could it be the federal gov't against the states if many ratify this? Makes even a skeptic such as me wonder about the troops ready for unrest, about the fema camps etc..

Just very interesting to see how this will unfold.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by skoalman88
While I like this kind of stuff, the conspiracy theorist in me thinks legislation of this sort would be used to incite people allowing the controllers to declare martial law.

i totally agree

this is clearly a bad sign

this means the NAU is at the doorstep!

so i disagree i think we should strike down this legislation, it wont solve the probelm guys, the problem is deeper than this way deeper

I just dont see how splitting the union like this will do anyone any good

its going to compound our problems infinitely
and in the ensuing chaos, the bad guys will get away scott free

It's split now. Democracy has been replaced by Socialism. And the Republic has been replaced by Nationalism. Open your eyes. Alter this legislation as per my prior post. Striking it down will do you no good, whatsoever. This is the sign that it is not only coming, but, that it is here.
No one was ever raped, murdered, or tortured, or robbed, or injured that did not sense it first or see the signs.