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Originally posted by andre18
Whales apparently are fish, Jonah 1:17 Mathew 12:40
Leviticus 5 "The cherogrillus which cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof, is unclean." - it really depends what bible you're referencing from, it could be rock badgers, coney etc
another lovely opinion
While i was at it i found some more proof no god could have inspired this book.
This is saying don’t kill your kids in the name of “Ra” or you’ll “get it”. I see no problem with this.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 2
"Tell the Israelites: Anyone, whether an Israelite or an alien residing in Israel, who gives any of his offspring to Molech shall be put to death. Let his fellow citizens stone him."
ok? Wish ill will upon your mother or father and you deserve to die. I see no problem with this.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 9
"Anyone who curses his father or mother shall be put to death; since he has cursed his father or mother, he has forfeited his life. "
Sounds good to me.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 10
"If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. "
um, I couldn’t agree more, don’t *&^% your mom.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 11
"If a man disgraces his father by lying with his father's wife, both the man and his stepmother shall be put to death; they have forfeited their lives."
don’t ^@#$ your daughter, sounds sensible to me.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 12
"If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; since they have committed an abhorrent deed, they have forfeited their lives. "
Hey, nothing against gay people, but it’s pretty obvious that G*d is not down with the gays. Deal with it. I’m not here to be politically correct.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 13
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. "
don’t $%^& your daughter, again, I couldn’t agree more.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 14
"If a man marries a woman and her mother also, the man and the two women as well shall be burned to death for their shameful conduct, so that such shamefulness may not be found among you."
Don’t $%^& animals, sounds sensible to me.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 15
"If a man has carnal relations with an animal, the man shall be put to death, and the animal shall be slain. "
Don’t %^&* animals or you’ll be killed. Are these laws really so hard to follow???
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 16
If a woman goes up to any animal to mate with it, the woman and the animal shall be slain; let them both be put to death; their lives are forfeit.
they are, because people don’t follow these rules at all. If the proper punishment was enforced, I bet you the world would be a better place. I don’t think the world would miss people who %^&* animals and their own daughters.
Yep, truly god inspiring words
Wait, so i have to actually interpret your quotes for you instead of you just explaining it in normal terms
It’s easy, don’t assume things.
Well then bloody hell speak properly and clarify what you're saying in the first place so i don't assume things you're not saying.
there’s a difference between misinterpreting something and distorting it to make your interpretation more agreeable with your beliefs and assumptions.
What is it my fault i don't understand you're gibberish analogy that only you can understand and when someone tries to make sense of you say they've taken it out of context
Originally posted by JPhish
I never claimed the bible had no mistakes nor did i give my personal view of it.
Originally posted by andre18
Yes you did, you said those mistakes are just truths that haven't been releazed yet.
Deuteronomy 22:11
"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
Originally posted by JPhish
That’s a logical fallacy. To assume that the byproduct of something flawless must be correspondingly so, is completely absurd.
Your response to my quote is completely random but none the less; unless YOU are all powerful, all knowing, and all loving; there is no way you could know that. THAT’S logic. So since you’re not G*d, you can’t make that claim.
Originally posted by andre18
Completely not absurd, if god is all powerful, all knowing and all loving - he would not inspire man to write a book filled with the content that it does. That is logic.
Ever consider that there was not a word for whale in those times . . . they simply called them large fish. There would be no point for them to write “whale” if no one knew what it was. However, even today, if you say giant fish, the first thing that comes to most peoples’ minds is a whale. Not to mention your great transgression of hubris; If G*d says that whales are fish, whales are fish, end of story.
ok? It’s saying not to eat a particular animal. I don’t see the problem
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 2
"Tell the Israelites: Anyone, whether an Israelite or an alien residing in Israel, who gives any of his offspring to Molech shall be put to death. Let his fellow citizens stone him." This is saying don’t kill your kids in the name of “Ra” or you’ll “get it”. I see no problem with this.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 9
"Anyone who curses his father or mother shall be put to death; since he has cursed his father or mother, he has forfeited his life. " ok? Wish ill will upon your mother or father and you deserve to die. I see no problem with this.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 10
"If a man commits adultery with his neighbor's wife, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death. "Sounds good to me.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 11
"If a man disgraces his father by lying with his father's wife, both the man and his stepmother shall be put to death; they have forfeited their lives." um, I couldn’t agree more, don’t *&^% your mom.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 12
"If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall be put to death; since they have committed an abhorrent deed, they have forfeited their lives. " don’t ^@#$ your daughter, sounds sensible to me.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 13
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. " Hey, nothing against gay people, but it’s pretty obvious that G*d is not down with the gays. Deal with it. I’m not here to be politically correct.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 14
"If a man marries a woman and her mother also, the man and the two women as well shall be burned to death for their shameful conduct, so that such shamefulness may not be found among you." don’t $%^& your daughter, again, I couldn’t agree more.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 15
"If a man has carnal relations with an animal, the man shall be put to death, and the animal shall be slain. " Don’t $%^& animals, sounds sensible to me.
Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 16
If a woman goes up to any animal to mate with it, the woman and the animal shall be slain; let them both be put to death; their lives are forfeit Don’t %^&* animals or you’ll be killed. Are these laws really so hard to follow???
If the proper punishment was enforced, I bet you the world would be a better place.
don’t assume things.
No, I didn’t say that, I said they might be.
Deuteronomy 22:11
"You shall not wear a material mixed of wool and linen together.
Doesn’t sound so hard to uphold nor does it seem it would hurt anyone. What’s the problem?
Your response to my quote is completely random but none the less; unless YOU are all powerful, all knowing, and all loving; there is no way you could know that. THAT’S logic. So since you’re not G*d, you can’t make that claim.
Originally posted by andre18
But, if the bible is of god's wisdom then even if the people didn't have the word for it, god would still call it a mammal instead of a fish.
what do you mean find out what it was??? Do you mean change its’ name? G*d said that it is a giant fish. It’s a giant fish. Sorry bro, you’re wrong.
God should have had the forsight to know in the future we would enevatably find out what it was.
what false knowledge? Whales are giant fish. You’re not using the archaic definition of fish which is (more or less): any creature which resides in the sea. Whales are aquatic animals, whales are giant fish. Unlike jellyfish and cuttlefish which are small fish. Pun intended.
Why give us false knowledge?
The fact that you said they didn't have the wording for whale, should be evident that it was purely written by man and had no god involvement to it.
there’s no evidence that G*d didn’t have involvement with the book.
Such verses demonstrate the ignorance of the time and that such ignorance demonstrates the lack of evidance of god's involvement in the book.
no, if G*d says whales are called “giant fish”, they’re giant fish. It’s not a mentality, it’s a FACT.
"If God says that whales are fish, whales are fish, end of story" - lol, What kind of mentality is that? if god says whales are fish then god's wrong....not much of an all knowing god
Well firstly, people do eat rabbits, are they going to hell because of god's ridiculous law?
Why would god even have such a law?
It makes no sense to the sane.
why is it ridiculous? That’s your opinion.
The fact that god says we aren't allowed to eat certain animals little own rabbits is just ridiculous and illustrates the kind of verses that should make you and every Christian rethink their belief system.
I LOVE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR A MORE LUDICROUS RESPONSE
Yep, let's just kill everyone. Sounds good
that’s your opinion
I wouldn't have to if you spoke properly in the first place.
No, I didn’t say that, I said they might be.
I was making a proposal in the form of a proposition. There is a difference.
And eventhough you said they 'might' you still insinuated it by preposessing it.
says you, and once again, that’s your opinion.
It's not about whether or not it's hurtful or hard to uphold as it is just a law that simply stupid. It's like saying don't wear blue shoes. There's no point to it.
You’re giving your opinion declaring “G*d wouldn’t create something that wasn’t perfect”
I said - "These are mistakes - this is that kind of proof needed to show the bible is not the word of god in any sense because of the mistakes a book inspired by god on any level simply wouldn't have - period"
Then you said - "That’s a logical fallacy. To assume that the byproduct of something flawless must be correspondingly so, is completely absurd."
Then you gave your opinion again and stamped LOGIC to its tail.
Then i said - "Completely not absurd, if god is all powerful, all knowing and all loving - he would not inspire man to write a book filled with the content that it does. That is logic."
And I was correct, your response is completely random because you still have not provided proof for why G*d wouldn’t create something flawed. Instead you simply reiterated your original opinion.
And your response now is - "Your response to my quote is completely random but none the less; unless YOU are all powerful, all knowing, and all loving; there is no way you could know that. THAT’S logic. So since you’re not G*d, you can’t make that claim."
And my response to that is - There is nothing random about my response - it answers your point directly.
who is we?
Your response though is not logical, what is logical, is that we can see by the content of the bible-
and once again, unless you’re all knowing all powerful and all loving, then you can’t make that call.
-that a god that has attributes that are all powerful, all knowing and all loving, would not comand us to kill eachother for any reason.
The way we can judge god's morals without having to be god ourselves is by the same way we judge other peoeple, and can take that to a god standered-
no it is not, because it is illogical to presume to know the possible intentions, demeanor or motives of an all powerful being in the first place.
- if a god wanted us to kill our own people becuase we swore at our parents, we can then logically tell that an all loving god would not tell us to do such a thing becuase he simply wouldn't be all loving if he wanted us to kill eachother. That my friend is logic.
It needs to transcend time and the vernacular of whatever period it is being rehd in.
what do you mean find out what it was???
No, it merely shows it was written for man.
And to call whales giant fish is misleading.....
no, if G*d says whales are called “giant fish”, they’re giant fish.
Well firstly, people do eat rabbits, are they going to hell because of god's ridiculous law?
i don't believe so
Why would god even have such a law?
I couldn’t presume to know, and neither could you.
Makes sense to me
why is it ridiculous?
Ludicrous? So you’re telling me that people sexually exploiting their daughters, cheating on their spouses, having sex with animals, and screwing little boys in the butt is alright?
Hate to burst your bubble, but not everyone does all of the horrible things on that list.
I was making a proposal in the form of a proposition. There is a difference.
why G*d wouldn’t create something flawed
Originally posted by andre18
Ludicrous? So you’re telling me that people sexually exploiting their daughters, cheating on their spouses, having sex with animals, and screwing little boys in the butt is alright?
No, but having them put to death is completely over the top and morally wrong in our modern society - only in countries like America where christianity dominates the government is the death penalty still prevalent.
Originally posted by andre18
But it doesn't, describing a whale as a giant fish is misleading. A child reading the bible as if it were fact would learn false information. That's not transcending time in any way.
Describing whales as a fish means they didn't know they were mammals.
God should have had the foresight to inform us what mammals are instead of describing it with the only words they had at the time.
There’s nothing to get, you don’t understand the archaic meanings of words, and that’s not my problem. Whales are fish, they just happen to be mammals. End of story.
He should have had the foresight to use the correct wording that isn't misleading, no matter if we enevatably found whales to be mammals, it shouldn't be contridictory to the bibles words used to describe it. WHY ARE YOU NOT GETTING THIS?
Imagine if we never found out whales are mammals, Christians would still think whales are fish because it says so in the bible.
that’s your opinion, and I’m inclined to believe that the majority of the world would disagree with you.
‘Giant fish' doesn't sufficiently inform us what whales are and because it doesn't, it doesn't transcent time what ever time period it's read in.
and it is constantly adequate. Thanks for proving my point.
If it was written for man it would be written so no matter how much man advanced the wording would be constantly adequate no matter what new knowledge is yet to be discovered.
And to call whales giant fish is misleading.....
Well it's in the bible, so it's not like you can cherry pick - unless that's what you do. God said don't eat rabbits but people do anyway. Christians do - so why don't you believe people are going to hell for not eating rabbits?
if man made the law, I’m going to guess that it would be a hell of a lot easier to figure out why it was/is a rule. Claiming “it’s stupid” is your opinion. I happen to have no problem with the rule.
Oh but i could, the law is there because man made it and god didn't. The simple fact that it's a stupid law in itself proves no god would make a law like that in the first place because of the very fact that it's stupid.
It makes sense to you but you don't presume to know???
that is your OPINION.
there's nothing wrong with eating rabbits.
not only did you give your unneeded OPINION as usual, but you just made a very false statement about other countries and how they handle criminally perverted persons.
No, but having them put to death is completely over the top and morally wrong in our modern society - only in countries like America where christianity dominates the government is the death penalty still prevalent.
in your OPINION.
We don't put everyone to death for swearing at their parents - that's a tad bit over kill on the whole punishment deal.
Hate to burst your bubble, but not everyone does all of the horrible things on that list.
I’d have no problem with it personally.
And for that people that do, are you seriously saying we should kill them???
lololololololol - Christian mentality people, check this guys out!
Originally posted by JPhish
I was making a proposal in the form of a proposition. There is a difference.
not necessarily, but thanks for proving my point. Proposal in the form of a proposition is an idea, offer, or plan put forward for consideration or discussion. That’s all I did. I did not claim that anything was a truth nor did I voice my personal beliefs.
Originally posted by andre18
??? - no there isn't, it's the same damn word. If i propose something I'm making a proposiiton.
Originally posted by JPhish
why wouldn’t G*d create something flawed?
you’re saying the bible is flawed, not I. You haven’t proved that it is, but even if the bible were flawed, that’s still not proof that G*d didn’t inspire it.
Originally posted by andre18
Why make the bible flawed when he can make it perfect in the first place? Besides, if you're saying that bible may be flawed then you're saying, yes there are mistakes in there.
that makes absolutely no sense. The equivalent to what you just wrote might sound something like this. “If it’s cold outside in Brazil, then Barrack Obama is not from there, because Barrack Obama is a democrat.”
And if there are mistakes, then god didn't have a hand in it becuase god is telling us how to live our lives throught the book.
If god f'd up his his own book in which we're are meant to live and learn from then how are we meant to live and learn from it properly if what we're learning and living by is false???????
for all we know, it may have been a submarine. He's using words and concepts that he is familar with to describe the experience.
we just assume since the translators said big FISH, that this was what it was...a whale. the text doesn't say whale, though.
the text doesn't say whale, though.
so what you are saying essentially is that no-one should be able to condemn you for having sex with your sister
but you can condemn god for saying that its wrong?
im not sure what your point is. are defending incest?
the bible was written by man because i disagree with it, and god would never state laws i disagree with.
Originally posted by andre18
The fact that you think so simply illustrates the kind of person you are who would beleive such a thing
Whales are fish. Whether or not those fish are mammals is irrelevant.
Whales are fish, they just happen to be mammals.
that’s your opinion, and I’m inclined to believe that the majority of the world would disagree with you.
No, it’s not, because whales are FISH
Whales are marine mammals of order Cetacea
The order Cetacea (IPA: /sɪˈteɪʃiə/, L. cetus, whale, from Greek) includes whales, dolphins, and porpoises. Cetus is Latin and is used in biological names to mean "whale"; its original meaning, "large sea animal", was more general. It comes from Ancient Greek κῆτος (kētos), meaning "whale" or "any huge fish or sea monster".
No where in the bible does it say you will go to hell for eating rabbits.
there's nothing wrong with eating rabbits.
that is your OPINION.
We don't put everyone to death for swearing at their parents - that's a tad bit over kill on the whole punishment deal.
in your OPINION.
And for that people that do, are you seriously saying we should kill them???
I’d have no problem with it personally.
nor did I voice my personal beliefs.
Originally posted by JPhish
why wouldn’t G*d create something flawed?
, but even if the bible were flawed, that’s still not proof that G*d didn’t inspire it.
Originally posted by JPhish
Whales are fish. Whether or not those fish are mammals is irrelevant.
It doesn’t matter what they are categorized as, they are fish. A fish is any creature that lives in the water. I explained this 3 posts ago.
Originally posted by andre18
Why is it irrelevant? There is not one scientific term where a whale is catoforized as a fish. Not one.
I already did provide evidence. By it’s archaic definition, (which applies to the bible because of its’ age) Fish are any aquatic animal. Therefore, whales are fish.
There is no and i mean it, no scientific term that describes whales as fish. They don't just happen to be anything, whales are mammals and have nothing to do with fish what so ever. You are the one claiming they do - provide the evidance.
I never said it did. I merely said that opinions are not needed.
Yes it is my opinion....your point? simply addressing the fact that i've voiced my opinion doesn't simply make you right over me.
The majority of the world would not disagree with me, they're not fish.
The truth is objective Andre, no matter how many people tell me I’m wrong. It doesn’t change the fact that whales are fish.
Can someone please tell this guys his wrong because he simply isn't listening to reason.
the archaic definition of fish which predates your wikipedia article says that whales and dolphins are fish. No matter how many times you deny it, you are wrong.
Ok this has got to stop. en.wikipedia.org...
I suppose you think that Pluto is not a planet either right?
Whales are marine mammals of order Cetacea
en.wikipedia.org...
The order Cetacea (IPA: /sɪˈteɪʃiə/, L. cetus, whale, from Greek) includes whales, dolphins, and porpoises. Cetus is Latin and is used in biological names to mean "whale"; its original meaning, "large sea animal", was more general. It comes from Ancient Greek κῆτος (kētos), meaning "whale" or "any huge fish or sea monster".
too bad it’s not proof against anything I’ve been saying. BY THE ARCHAIC DEFINAITION OF THE WORD FISH, WHALES OCTUPII DOLPHINS ETC ARE ALL FISH.
I couldn't have found more perfect proof of everything i've been saying. In ancient Greek whale is the same as huge fish and sea monster.
I must be missing the part where it says you’re going to hell if you eat rabbits. You assume too much.
Leviticus 11.5 "The cherogrillus which cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof, is unclean."
Apprently we are not allowed to eat rabbits. If god doesn't what us to eat rabbits then he's officially saying don't do this or i'll send you to hell. If god made laws that we didn't have to obey and still get into heaven then there'd be no point in have the law in the first place.
I never said it was or wasn’t. I’m trying to make a point that your opinions are not needed here.
And it is your opinion that it is ok to eat rabbits. You're not making a point by just saying it's my opinion.
no, it’s your opinion. It’s a subjective statement, and they’re not needed in serious debate, so refrain from using them.
An opinion that is correct. Let me guess - it's my opion that it's my opinion lol
ad hominem at it’s finest.
You know i don't think there's any point continuing this debate with you because obviously you're f@($!%G insane.
Originally posted by JPhish
nor did I voice my personal beliefs.
I have given no opinions, only information that is recognized as human knowledge.
You voice your personal belief, as soon as you make an opinion. As soon as you speak you are in affect voicing your opinion.
that’s a lot of what "ifs". Again, hypothetical situations are fun, but let’s stick to reality, especially when you're going to accuse others of being insane.
If the bible's flawed, if that's the case then why still believe in the bible in the first place if it’s not god’s word but mans? If man deliberately altered the bible during its creation for his own benefit then how does one decipher god’s true word from mans alterations? How do you know which is which? Why still keep believing the bible is the true undeniable word of god?