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Originally posted by miriam0566
Originally posted by luciferhorus
I would have to fail Her on historical methodology; I would not even mark
why? can you cite specific examples?
On moral philosophy with regards to the justifications for rape,
do you have an example?
Originally posted by OmegaLogos
reply to post by JPhish
Explanation: I don't think it would be boring at all as I am endlessly creative and the desire for such "Bruce Almighty" type of freedom in a reality where I am the only conscious thing that can be "hurt", is quite appealing!
Originally posted by miriam0566
ive shown this to be allowable even by human standards here
Originally posted by luciferhorus
genocide, infanticide,
www.abovetopsecret.com...
human and animal sacrifice cultism,
jesus was the only human sacrifice, and he ironically was killed by man. and since when is it ever ¨wrong¨ to kill an animal? dont people eat meat?
give one example where god said it was ok, please.
cannibalism etc.,
oh, I’m sorry, I wasn’t aware it was a loaded question to which you were expecting a particular response . . . I do believe many things, and that is my answer; I’ve also already expressed that it is irrelevant whether or not I’m a Christian.
Originally posted by andre18
reply to post by JPhish
You didn't answer the question, simply saying i believe many things isn't an answer.
If you're a Christian i'm posing this threads topic to you
- if the bible is written by man and not god then it's not god's perfect word but man's own word.
If god really wonted man to write a book on his behalf he wouldn't have any contradictions or mistakes in it. God would know to have man write it down perfectly dictated by him. And wouldn't let alterations happen if it's his book. - His final word on every matter.
You’re assuming that merely because there was a median there is an error. I’m sure G*d would have no difficulty playing "banana phone”.
The fact that Christians accept it was written by men who had visions and inspirations by god and yet still value that as gods peferct word makes no sense. Unless it was dictated by god completely it's not his complete word - it's mans and gods word. Unless it's gods word 100% it's not the true undeniable word of god.
Originally posted by undo
to me it sounds like a historical account of people trying to survive. they apparently had a shortage of women (which isn't surprising since every form of belief system at the time, including the pagan religions, viewed women as subspecies property).
That’s not logical. If I were to approach my 9 year old niece and have her write everything I told her. It would be my words in her writing. The bible is considered by many to be G*ds’ word, but not G*ds’ writing.
Incorrect; the nature of the universe is cyclical, ergo a static truth is hard to come by. The interpretive and dynamic nature of the bible only adds testament to its’ aptness.
You’re assuming that merely because there was a median there is an error. I’m sure G*d would have no difficulty playing "banana phone”.
Originally posted by JPhish
That’s not logical. If I were to approach my 9 year old niece and have her write everything I told her. It would be my words in her writing. The bible is considered by many to be G*ds’ word, but not G*ds’ writing. If you want to call into question my nieces writing ability, you might have a valid argument there.
Originally posted by undo
reply to post by luciferhorus
i think these examples you're quoting are historical accounts of people who were trying to survive in an exceedingly hostile environment. thus they developed various laws and traditions geared to increasing the longevity and survivabilty of the entire group (as opposed to only increasing the longevity of the emperor or pharaoh).
[edit on 4-2-2009 by undo]
Originally posted by luciferhorus
Numbers 31:32 And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,
31:33 And threescore and twelve thousand beeves,
31:34 And threescore and one thousand asses,
31:35 And thirty and two thousand persons in all, of women that had not known man by lying with him.
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.....................
Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead.
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Judges 5:30 NAB)
They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Originally posted by luciferhorus
(Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Originally posted by luciferhorus
Yes I did read that. It never ceases to amaze me that any amount of genocide, war, imperialism, the dropping of depleted uranium on children etc., etc, can be justified by the American Christian narco-terrorists / state-terrorists. It is all God's will, of course.
cannibalism etc.,
give one example where god said it was ok, please.
Deuteronomy 28:53
And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
28:54
So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
28:55
So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
28:56
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
28:57
And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
28:58
If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;
Originally posted by andre18
No, no and no. I don't assume anything, i know what i believe is the truth -i don't assume it, i know it. So you may ask how do i know?
Science is the foundation of truth, it's the only way we can find out what is real and what isn't. We have evidence through the scientific method that proves how the universe works. We know that it is a fact as is gravity and evolution. Now because the big bang is a fact, we can rule out god because we know the big bang negates the theory/idea of a god from existing.
Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?
(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
(b) No (Joshua 15:63)