The bible – god’s word or mans?

Most people agree moses wrote leviticus

god did not come down and physically write the bible

the bible was written by men for men, so when moses was giving the laws, it was no different that our constitution declaring laws

it is also no different than other countries who cut off and arm for theft and so on

the bible says obey the law of the country as long as it does not conflict with gods law

if god left it to moses to give the jews the law, and he was divinely inspired as the bible says its writers were, then his idea was correct in that those things should warrant death in there culture

that does not apply to today, the old testament is strictly for the jews, and laws change

Originally posted by andre18
reply to post by JPhish

 

So then what do you believe - are you a christian?

I believe many things.- but whether or not someone is a christian should not be important if your intentions are to logically discuss your original hypothesis. To place emphasis on someones' history or beliefs in an attempt to suggest bias in my opinions, is a blatant informal fallacy.

[edit on 2/3/2009 by JPhish]

Originally posted by newday

War is a science so technically speaking science has and will kill more people than religion.

Okay nothing personal against you here, but I really have to correct this statement.

War is not a science and science has nothing to do with war.

SCIENCE is a PROCESS that is used to explain the natural world with means to the natural world ONLY. A process by which we use observation, form hypotheses, test, collect data, have peer reviews and form conclusions.

Science can be used by people with certain agendas to gain control or kill other populations but science is not a war. I think that is what you are getting it confused with.

Sorry, it just bothered me. I am majoring in biology and it irks me when I hear ignorance among people about what science actually is.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
reply to post by zysin5

 

Interesting, I guess if you have both organs, that is a biological defect that God never intended, there is some leeway that must be extended in this case. Wait until puberty to see which side is stronger, and run with that.
God would still expect you to follow the same standards, that is pick a team
(male or female) and stick with it, and you could still follow his standards.

No switching back and forth.

I swear I have never been so pissed off and mad about someones ignorant stupidity! Who in the hell do you think you are hurting someone like that! How do you know you are not the defect? You think God has a gender? How could that be...if you think God is a man then you have just put down women the mothers of our race. SO would God not be both? Or genderless like our souls?

Dont you go around and tell people things like that. You hurt that person just now very deeply. You judged and committed the worst sin imaginable. You think someone that is both male and female has not wondered if they are meant to be? Words cannot express how mad I am. How do you not know that a person that is both sexes is not closer to the divine than you?

HOW DO YOU LOOK YOURSELF IN THE MIRROR AFTER WOUNDING SOMEONE LIKE YOU JUST DID?

This was the most callous unfeeling inhuman statement I have ever heard anyone make in my life!

[edit on 3-2-2009 by Lucky One]

reply to post by Lucky One


Deleted comments by personal request, scriptures stay however.

Revelation 21:4 (Amplified Bible)

4God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and death shall be no more, neither shall there be anguish (sorrow and mourning) nor grief nor pain any more, for the old conditions and the former order of things have passed away.


Matthew 4:23 (The Message)

He also healed people of their diseases and of the bad effects of their bad lives. Word got around the entire Roman province of Syria. People brought anybody with an ailment, whether mental, emotional, or physical. Jesus healed them, one and all.



[edit on 3-2-2009 by Blue_Jay33]

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Thank you I just returned the favor and deleted what I said.

[edit on 3-2-2009 by LoneGunMan]

reply to post by LoneGunMan

Sorry! Didn't know the crux of the matter!

[edit on 3-2-2009 by Clearskies]

reply to post by Lucky One


I thank you for your words.. But it was I who decided to be open and honest in this thread. And it works to expose the close minded parameters some humans have on this Earth.

One that shows love and understanding for all. Thats all I ever hope religion to ever be.. Is all about love and understand for ALL!

I am me, and I am free. I know there is nothing wrong with me. I have come to terms, and I have some really great friends not only on this website but in life who understand me.

I will not be taking any more questions here.. I don't want to try to derail or off track this thread..

Thanks for your time everyone! And thank you for taking down those personal assults on me Blue Jay. I can respect everything else you said in terms of bible quotes.. Thats all good. Love. Thats all love and understanding is all I ask from anyone. No matter what you belive. Or what you feel is or is not.
I think we can all learn alot about ourselfs and eachother. No matter what we belive is to be true.. We can still have that level of respect and caring for others, that we may not understand..
Peace!
reply to post by Blue_Jay33

NP.. And thank you. I give you a star aswell..

[edit on 3-2-2009 by zysin5]

reply to post by zysin5


SORRY

I never read all the comments, I was responding to just that 1 quote you made in one post, and my comments were careless, I never thought about how brutally cold and heartless they were to someone in your situation. When it was brought to my attention by other forum members, I deleted all those comments, but I can't delete other quoted posts. My comments were never meant as an attack on you.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


God does work in mysterious way eh friend? I respect a person that will make a statement like you just did.

Our path is long and weary and we all forget sometimes to walk in another's shoes, even if they dont fit it can expand the mind and soul to see what its like to be in them!

A star for you.

Originally posted by jon1
reply to post by andre18

 

I and billions of other people have masses of personal evidence to know that God is a reality.

And what is that evidence?

You or none believers base your views on nothing, no experiences of any kind relating to there being a God. So you think that it's all hogwash.

That's not true at all. I base my views as most atheists do on actual evidence. Just becuase i've had no god experience doesn't mean i'm a non-believer because of that. The experiences the religious have, are been found to be nothing but delusions - mostly schizophrenia.

There are buddists seeing Buddha, Christians seeing Christ and many other people of faith claiming they have felt their god in some way. Obviously if different religions claim to experience their deity in some form then that's simply because they were brought up with that belief system so they're going to experience an illusion if they believe in it enough whether it's real or not.

If you bring up a child and teach them that Santa is real as you would that god is real without them ever finding Santa's not, they're most certainly going to have delusions of Santa and feel some spiritual connection with him.

It's not that becuase i haven't experienced what Christians have that i'm a non-believer, it's because i know what Christians are experiencing can't be god becuase other religions claim to experience the same sort of thing from their own deity. If you understand that, then you realize if they're all having these experiences then how can you tell which faith is experiencing the real thing - and so you realize they're all worng becuase it's impossible to determine even if one religion is right, which one it is.

Don't you ever think to yourself, how can i be so sure when i, as a none believer am in the minority, or in the 17% of the worlds population that don't believe in God in any way, shape or form.

If 99.999999 percent of the world believed something without any evidence - that's simply not going to convince and shoudn't convince me or you or anyone else that's it's true just because everyone just thinks so.

Do you seriously think that just because so many people believe it's true it must be true? - that is not rational thinking.

If two people are stood outside a door and hear no noises or ever see anyone come out of that door the chances are that you will say that the room is empty and the longer you stand there, the more that belief will be enforced. (this is where i see you at the moment.)
Now if one of these people knocks on the door and it is opened then that persons belief will be instantly changed. (thats me)
The thing is, you have to knock on the door to get an answer,

You know what, there a like a million doors to knock - Judaism, Hinduism, Islam etc and every single one has the same basic offer so it's not like Chritianity has something unique.

This is the main reason you will never change a believers view on God because he has knocked and the door has been opened for them. You will never convince them otherwise.

You're saying beleivers will never change what they are, that's not true at all. Most atheists i know and some of the most influencial atheists in the world were once god beleivers.

Now, is the bible true or not?
I or no-one else knows the complete answer to that one

I do. The bible claims god wrote it, i proved that can't be the case becuase there's plenty of human alteration for personal benefit. If god is all powerful then he wouldn't let alterarion happen if it's 'god's book.'

I now know as a christian that God is real

And why do you think god is real?

No matter what situation i am in, there is allways an answer in the bible that gives me encouragement and this is one way that i believe God communicates with me.

Now when i read it and find no anwers that means god's message doesn't reach everyone. But if we're talking about god - you'd think god's word would have such wisdom and morality that no one would be able to deny it, but obviously there are those who can so it's no god's word.

If a Muslim reads the quran and feels gods word through that, how is that any differet then what you're saying?

[edit on 4-2-2009 by andre18]

reply to post by andre18


excellent post Andre; in my opinion you made some good points and valid questions. Since they were not directed toward me i won't be addressing them, but as an aside . . .

have you ever considered that by believing in something, you actually beget its' very existence?

For those of you believe that the Bible is the infallible word of God.
By
Lucifer


I have a graduate degree in Theology and Religious Studies; my second subject was History. I also have a post-graduate degree in education. I do not teach in schools but I am a qualified school teacher and I am quite familiar with the process of marking student’s essays.

If the Bible is the word of the actual Creator, I would expect to give Her an A+ for historical methodology and
moral philosophy in the same way that I would give Her an A+ in Physics, Chemistry, mathematics, astronomy and other sciences.

Since we are considering the Bible to have been written by God, it would be unfair to judge her by the standard of a High School student, but rather by the standard of a PhD student.

I would have to fail Her on historical methodology; I would not even mark the paper.

On moral philosophy with regards to the justifications for rape, genocide, infanticide, human and animal sacrifice cultism, cannibalism etc., not only would I have to fail her and return the paper unmarked, in addition I would consider Her to be criminally insane and the definition of ‘evil.’ I would also consider it to be the case that anyone who believed that this was the ‘word of God’ was also criminally insane, and a morally (i.e., the discernment of good and evil) worthless individual of the ilk of Pinochet, George Bush, Hitler etc.


The following 101 contradictions have been circulating the Internet for years; they are not of my authorship.

Love and regards

Lucifer
Light of the World

________________


101 Clear

Contradictions in the Bible








Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

(a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)

(b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)





In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

(a) Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)




How many fighting men were found in Judah?

(a) Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)

(b) Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)




God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

(a) Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)

(b) Three (I Chronicles 21:12)




How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)

(b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)




How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

(a) Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)




How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

(a) Three months (2 Kings 24:8)

(b) Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)




The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

(a) Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)

(b) Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)




When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

(a) After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)

(b) Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)




How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)

(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2).But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)




When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)

(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)




How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)

(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)




In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

(a) Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)

(b) Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

(a) Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)

(b) Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)




Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)

(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)




Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

(a) Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)

(b) Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)




How many were the children of Zattu?

(a) Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)

(b) Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)




How many were the children of Azgad?

(a) One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)

(b) Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)




How many were the children of Adin?

(a) Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)

(b) Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)




How many were the children of Hashum?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)

(b) Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)




How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

(a) Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)

(b) One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)




Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close.The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

(a) 29,818 (Ezra)

(b) 31,089 (Nehemiah)




How many singers accompanied the assembly?

(a) Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)

(b) Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)




What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?

(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)

(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)




Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

(a) Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)

(b) No (Joshua 15:63)




Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)

(b) Hell (Luke 3:23)




Jesus descended from which son of David?

(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)

(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)




Who was the father of Shealtiel?

(a) Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)

(b) Neri’ (Luke 3:27)




Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)

(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.




Who was the father of Uzziah?

(a) Joram (Matthew 1:8)

(b) Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)




Who as the father of Jechoniah?

(a) Josiah (Matthew 1:11)

(b) Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)




How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

(a) Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)

(b) But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)




Who was the father of Shelah?

(a) Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)

(b) Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)




Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

(a) Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)

(b) No(John 1:19-21)




Would Jesus inherit David’s throne?

(a) Yes.So said the angel (Luke 1:32)

(b) No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16).And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon David’s throne (Jeremiah 36:30)




Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

(a) One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). “And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.”

(b) Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). “They brought the ass and the colt and put their

How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

(a) By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)

(b) His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)




Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)

(b) On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42).After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)




When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus’ daughter already dead?

(a) Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, “My daughter has just died.”

(b) No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, “My little daughter is at the point of death.”




Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

(a) Yes(Mark6:8)

(b) No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)




Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)

(b) No (Luke 9:9)




Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?

(a) Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)

(b) No (John 1:32,33)




Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

(a) Yes (John 1:32, 33)

(b) No (Matthew 11:2)




According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

(a) “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)

(b) “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)




When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?

(a) Yes (Matthew 21:12)

(b) No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).




The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree.Did the tree wither at once?

(a) Yes.(Matthew 21:19)

(b) No.It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)




Did Judas kiss Jesus?

(a) Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)

(b) No.Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)




What did Jesus say about Peter’s denial?

(a) “The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times” (John 13:38).

(b) “Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times” (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.




Did Jesus bear his own cross?

(a) Yes (John 19:17)

(b) No (Matthew 27:31-32)




Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

(a) Yes(Matthew27:50-5 1;MarklS:37-38)

(b) No.After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)




Did Jesus say anything secretly?

(a) No.“I have said nothing secretly” (John 18:20)

(b) Yes. “He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything” (Mark 4:34).The disciples asked him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” He said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given” (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)




Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

(a) On the cross (Mark 15:23)

(b) In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)




The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus.Did both thieves mock Jesus?

(a) Yes (Mark 15:32)

(b) No.One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)




Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

(a) Yes.He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)

(b) No.He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)




When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice.Did those who were with him hear the voice?

(a) Yes(Acts9:7)

(b) No(Acts22:9)





When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground.Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?

(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)

(b) No (Acts 9:7)





Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul’s duties were to be?

(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)

(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do.(Acts9:7;22: 10)





When the Israelites dwelt in #tin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague.How many people died in that plague?

(a) Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)

(b) Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)





How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?

(a) Seventy souls (Genesis 4&27)

(b) Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)





What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

(a) He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)

(b) He threw all of it into the temple and went away.The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)





How did Judas die?

(a) After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)

(b) After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)





Why is the field called “Field of Blood”?

(a) Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)

(b) Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)





Who is a ransom for whom?

(a) “The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:45). “Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... “(I Timothy 2:5-6)

(b) “The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright” (Proverbs 21:18)





Is the law of Moses useful?

(a) Yes. “All scripture is... profitable...” (2 Timothy 3:16)

(b) No. “. . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... “(Hebrews 7:18)





What was the exact wording on the cross?

(a) “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)

(b) “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)

(c) “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)

(d) “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)





Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

(a) Yes (Matthew 14:5)

(b) No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him.But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)





Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

(a) Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)

(b) Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)





Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collector’s office and called him to be his disciple.What was his name?

(a) Matthew (Matthew 9:9)

(b) Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)





Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)

(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate’s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28).When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)





Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

(a) Yes.(Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)

(b) No.(John 12:27)





In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did ‘he move away from his disciples to pray?

(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)

(b) One. No opening is left for another two times.(Luke 22:39-46)





Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times.What were the words of the second prayer?

(a) Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)

(b) Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)





What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

(a) “Certainly this man was innocent” (Luke 23:47)

(b) “Truly this man was the Son of God” (Mark 15:39)





When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? ” in what language did he speak?

(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eloi, Eloi …..“(Matthew 27:46)

(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi ….. “(Mark 15:34)





According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

(a) “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)

(b) "It is finished" (John 19:30).





When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion.Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?

(a) Yes (Matthew 8:5)

(b) No.He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)





(a) Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)

(b) Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)







(a) God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)

(b) Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc.(Genesis 11:12-16)





Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

(a) No (John 3:13)

(b) Yes.“And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)





Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?

(a) Abiathar (Mark 2:26)

(b) Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)





Was Jesus’ body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

(a) Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)

(b) No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud.Then the women bought and prepared spices “so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus)” (Mark 16: 1)





When did the women buy the spices?

(a) After “the Sabbath was past” (Mark 16:1)

(b) Before the Sabbath. The women “prepared spices and ointments.” Then, “on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)





At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

(a) “Toward the dawn” (Matthew 28: 1)

(b) “When the sun had risen” (Mark 16:2)





What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

(a) To anoint Jesus’ body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)

(b) To see the tomb.Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)

(c) For no specified reason.In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)





A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb.Where was the stone when the women arrived?

(a) They saw that the stone was “Rolled back” (Mark 16:4) They found the stone “rolled away from the tomb” (Luke 24:2) They saw that “the stone had been taken away from the tomb” (John 20:1)

(b) As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women.Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)





Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus’ body?

(a) Yes. “A young man in a white robe” (Mark 16:5). “Two men ... in dazzling apparel” later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2).In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)

(b) No.Mary met no one and returned saying, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him” (John 20:2)





When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

(a) Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb.They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)

(b) On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus’ body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him “Teacher.” Jesus said to her, “Do not hold me...” (John 20:11 to 17)





What was Jesus’ instruction for his disciples?

(a) “Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me” (Matthew 2 8: 10)

(b) “Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God” (John 20:17)





When did the disciples return to Galilee?

(a) Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee “some doubted” (Matthew 28:17).This period of uncertainty should not persist

(b) After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them “during forty days” (Acts 1:3), and “charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... “(Acts 1:4)





To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

(a) “To the Ishmaelites” (Genesis 37:28)

(b) “To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh” (Genesis 37:36)





Who brought Joseph to Egypt?

(a) The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then “took Joseph to Egypt” (Genesis 37:28)

(b) “The Midianites had sold him in Egypt” (Genesis 37:36)

(c) Joseph said to his brothers “I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt” (Genesis 45:4)





Does God change his mind?

(a) Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King...” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)

(b) No.God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)

(c) Yes. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35).Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i.“The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)

“I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)

ii. “And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).





The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts.Then comes the following feat:

(a) Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)

(b) The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.





Who killed Goliath?

(a) David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)

(b) Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)





Who killed Saul?

(a) “Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)

(b) An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)





Does every man sin?

(a) Yes.“There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)

(b) No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9).But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:8)




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Who will bear whose burden?

(a) “Bear one another’s burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2)

(b) “Each man will have to bear his own load” (Galatians 6:5)





How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

(a) Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)

(b) Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)





Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

(a) After his baptism, “the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)

(b) Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples.Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)





Was baby Jesus’ life threatened in Jerusalem?

(a) Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)

(b) No. The family fled nowhere.They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)





When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

(a) They worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God” (Matthew 14:33)

(b) “They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened” (Mark 6:51-52)

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You dont need evidence to know God is real andre. You dont need religion to know God is real either.

I have had a lifetime of experiences that have brought me very close to death. Something pulls me out every time. I have had years of synchronistic most amazing things happen. I have been led on a journey that I should write a book about. I have felt the love of God in my heart when all was lost.

You are young and have not had the proper experience in life to understand God yet or you would not be confusing God with religion and asking these questions. You may be on a very young souls path and not come to know God for many lifetimes. Most people of science have young souls yet sharp minds. Many of the elite are the same way, it is why they can do such inhumane acts. Without Gods love some become a bit cold and only relate to the meat computer and the five senses. We are all of one and of a different vibrational state. We come to these vessels these meat suits to experience the physical, because in our soul state we vibrate at a higher frequency and like a radio wave that passes threw walls, our souls cannot manipulate the physical as we understand it.

It is all very complex and I know its hard to understand.

I could go on and on but only your own personal journey will reveal God to you. I wish you luck wherever this path of yours leads.

Originally posted by luciferhorus
I would have to fail Her on historical methodology; I would not even mark

why? can you cite specific examples?

On moral philosophy with regards to the justifications for rape,

do you have an example?

genocide, infanticide,

ive shown this to be allowable even by human standards here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

human and animal sacrifice cultism,

jesus was the only human sacrifice, and he ironically was killed by man. and since when is it ever ¨wrong¨ to kill an animal? dont people eat meat?

cannibalism etc.,

give one example where god said it was ok, please.

The following 101 contradictions have been circulating the Internet for years; they are not of my authorship.

the bible claims to be inspired by god, not dictated by. do you have any other contradictions besides inconsequential numbers or names? perhaps doctrinal?

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andre assumes that the way he thinks is truth.

No, no and no. I don't assume anything, i know what i believe is the truth -i don't assume it, i know it. So you may ask how do i know?

Science is the foundation of truth, it's the only way we can find out what is real and what isn't. We have evidence through the scientific method that proves how the universe works. We know that it is a fact as is gravity and evolution. Now because the big bang is a fact, we can rule out god because we know the big bang negates the theory/idea of a god from existing. And because of this i know that i have a closer realization to the truth then you or any other creationist out there will ever have.

he is going to bash and bash and bash the bible until someone sees what is obviously truth to him.

But when someone sees that truth that i see then obviously they are going about it the right way becaus they're using the same logic and evidance to come to that conclusion. How do you find out the truth - seek out a 2000 year old book written by men claiming to be the word of god even though it has contradictions and human motivated alterations - how is that truth in any form???

what is he scared that some christian in office is going to take away his abortion rights?.

Damn straight and do you see that it's religion that causes that fear? It's your book that tells people what to believe and because of that they take everythig (like abortion) that doesn't agree with the book as against god's will. If their was no religion there'd be no christians blowing up abortion clinics, it's your belief that causes this.

what he fails to realize, is that christians are scared of the same. they are scared that some atheistic senate will impede on religious freedoms.

What kind of freedoms?

because they believe in something he doesnt therefore they shouldnt be in positions of power

They shouldn't be in a position of power because as i've explained when you have someone beleiving in a talking snake then they're not mentally fit to be a politician. They believe in god and because they do they wont to implement that god belief into the law system. We can already see this with in god we trust, swearing on the bible in court etc. This is a religious act that permits religion to be in places it shouldn't.

It's fine for you to have these religious beliefs in the justice system because you bleive in them but for those who don't, it's not a fair or balanced.

If we treated everyone who spoke about god on the floor of the senate as though they had just spoke about poseidon, cleary that would be the end of that persons political career and yet when we have that same person wanting to invade iraq because god told him to - that's ok?

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andre,

i remember when the scientists first discovered evidence for the big bang. i was working at a pepsi factory at the time. the discovery had been printed in TIME magazine, which i found in the lunchroom at the pepsi factory. the opening paragraphs read something like.... (paraphrasing) after years of trying to unravel the secrets of the formation of the universe, scientists have finally arrived at the summit as a result of the discovery of the reality of the big bang. as they climbed atop the mountain that was their uphill effort, they were warmly greeted by theologians, already present, who simply smiled and asked, "What took you so long?"

translated that means that the big bang theory fits the biblical account of a sudden creation of the universe. but not all theologians are on that summit. some believe the universe is limitless and eternal and that it was never not here. that may just be a bit of semantics, however.

Originally posted by JPhish

Originally posted by andre18
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So then what do you believe - are you a christian?

I believe many things.

You didn't answer the question, simply saying i believe many things isn't an answer. If you're a Christian i'm posing this threads topic to you - if the bible is written by man and not god then it's not god's perfect word but man's own word. If god really wonted man to write a book on his behalf he wouldn't have any contradictions or mistakes in it. God would know to have man write it down perfectly dictated by him. And wouldn't let alterations happen if it's his book. - His final word on every matter.

The fact that Christians accept it was written by men who had visions and inspirations by god and yet still value that as gods peferct word makes no sense. Unless it was dictated by god completely it's not his complete word - it's mans and gods word. Unless it's gods word 100% it's not the true undeniable word of god.

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