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Two children should be limit, says green guru

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posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 10:06 AM
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Carbon dioxide (chemical formula: CO2) is a chemical compound composed of two oxygen atoms covalently bonded to a single carbon atom. It is a gas at standard temperature and pressure. Carbon dioxide exists in Earth's atmosphere currently at a globally averaged concentration of approximately 385 parts per million by volume after removal of water vapour.[1] Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas as it transmits visible light but absorbs strongly in the infrared and near-infrared.


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Oxygen we all need and carbon is a building block for life as we know it. all life on earth is Carbon based. So I still don't get those green people who claim that co2 is the source of our demise that it is harmfull.
I live in the Netherlands and several million years ago when dinosaurs still where alive the Netherlands was partly sea and the other parts where coastal area's . And in this time period I am speaking of great parts of Europe like Germany ect where sub-tropical with temperature of around 35 degrees.
After a climate shift we had an several ice ages and the earth is still a state of recovery of the last ice age. We are going back to temperatures and climat as it should be . But those Green terrorist are claiming we have any influence on the climate in such a great manner well proof it to me.
I am still not confinced.
Why are we having the strongest winters in decades and for the last couple of years the everest temp of our planet had gone down globaly . the polar caps are melting on one side and growing on other parts .
the polar regions are allways changing in some times in history the centre of our north pole is around green land and in some times some what more towards Siberia . And the last couple of years the poles are shifting away from green land and ice is melting there and ice is growing towards siberia where temps are in all time lows.

If there is any thing we did wrong it is our use of forest and the miss use of it. If we should do something than we have to plant more trees because we will have more oxygen ect .
but saying that I believe that trees are needed against mudslides ect and where ones where trees now is grass and farms so I see no problems for oxygen production . But regions like africa we need food and production and instead of pumping billons of dollars and Euro's towards them every year create artifical lakes in the dessert and we have cooling effect and we can create farms and industrie around them that is more productive and helpfull . Instead of herrassing people here for money and this kind of actions saying we need less children.
I disagree we need more people and we need to spread out in space . we need big projects to spur the economy and our race into a new golden age.




posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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Too bad the ability of reproduction is a gift given to every living person, and no one should have the right to put limitations on others. You don't have to agree with the way a person is living their life, the only thing you can do is make the "right" choice in your own eyes.

Live and let live.

I say all Greens stop having children to offset the "burden", who's with me?



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 10:41 AM
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I don't think we're going to follow the Chinese model on this one. But what I think we might see, is some form of "child trading" Where couples who decide not to have babies, sell their baby "slot" to those who want to have more than two kids.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Very interesting, just like China.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Catfish
Too bad the ability of reproduction is a gift given to every living person,


Too bad so many of the "gifted" treat that gift as if it were a neccessity too.

If adults put as much effort into looking after kids and being a family as they do in trying to make them, the resourses soaked up by seperated couples and the two single parent lifestyles would negate the effects of more than most 2+ child families.

I wonder what the difference in the carbon footprint is between mum, dad and the kids in a single family and two single parents with the same amount of children.

This seems like just another report from a well paid study to curb the population for other agendas and NOT because of the effect on the environment.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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Good initiative. In the end it'll mean that the average intelligence of the people will rise which could up the chances of a 'better world'.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Once the government starts getting involved in the reproductive rights of human beings things are gonna get a little scary. And the fact that someone out there is using the already sensationalized environmental issue (I say environmental issue in place of Climate Crisis because there is no evidence to call it a "Crisis" or to say its caused by man) to support such actions is more than a little scary.

All organisms should have reproductive freedom, its one of those rights so basic we didn't need to put it in the Constitution. Bad enough TPTB are infringing on our human rights and Constitutional rights, now they're gonna poke around with our biological prerogative to reproduce?



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 02:00 PM
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Originally posted by mortje
Good initiative. In the end it'll mean that the average intelligence of the people will rise which could up the chances of a 'better world'.


Ever see "Idiocracy"? It's about that very idea.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 02:50 PM
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How else are we going to control human population other than reproductive behaviors? Everyone's up in arms about someone suggesting we regulate how many children we have, yet none of these angry people have a better solution. It's like trying to teach a child to clean their room, but they don't understand why they must learn it. So they throw a tantrum until the parent gives in. Meanwhile the child is forming bad habits. Later on in life, this irresponsible child requires professional intervention to correct all the mistakes the parents made. Eventually we will have to learn having 9 children is irresponsible.


 
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posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Originally posted by harrytuttle

How else are we going to control human population other than reproductive behaviors? Everyone's up in arms about someone suggesting we regulate how many children we have, yet none of these angry people have a better solution. It's like trying to teach a child to clean their room, but they don't understand why they must learn it. So they throw a tantrum until the parent gives in. Meanwhile the child is forming bad habits. Later on in life, this irresponsible child requires professional intervention to correct all the mistakes the parents made. Eventually we will have to learn having 9 children is irresponsible.



You are speaking logic and realism.

They are speaking emotions - of the moment.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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i've had enough of these silly stereotypical, brainwashed rationalisations.

a few percent of the world's population owns 9/10 of the world's rescources, if they get the chance to make it 99% they will do it, therefore depopulation does nothing to remedy the problem of unmitigated exploitation and its deleterious effects on nature.

these shallow justifications 'world is bad - > let's kill somebody' are jokes from a B science fiction movies. all of you obiously know that there are approximately two factors which infoluence women's fertility, one is freedom and the other is wealth. the welfare system's faults are too glaring to overlook, especially when it's tailored to certain minorities.

these issues are straight-forward, deliberate attempts at desensitization and unfortunately wildly successful, judgding by the replies here. it seems as if people knew all along which kind of solution they'd implement if they could, now they only got to find a suitable problem.... be advised you're playing with fire, deceit wears off and the consequences are too dreadful to describe in detail. until now it's mostly talk, all i can say is don't do it, period. don't toss the next best propane flask into the fire just because you're bored, yes you can do it, yes, something weird actually happens if you do it, so what?

everything has a price in life and hubris is especially costly.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 06:17 PM
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everything has a price in life and hubris is especially costly.


Yeah that right, but do you think you can pollute other peoples life with your ability to breed, it give you the right to consume all the planet resources ?

Of course peoples who can have babies are just stuck with the idea "i can breed, its a gift of god, so i gonna reproduce and grow as possible" just disgusting idiots, polluting other peoples life with their stupid concepts of "life is precious" .

No,life is NOT precious life is just a biological event, nothing special, nobody gonna care about the human race after his extinction, we're not the best thing who happened in the universe so stop considering the ability to give life a "precious thing".

Most peoples around are just ...breeders, good religious peoples are usualy telling me "Life is a gift of God" wow amazing, you really think i have to REALLY believe all thoses bs?


I dont respect life , i dont respect your point of view , simply because it my choice, i think over breeding is really a danger not only for the planet, but for all of us.

If you dont like my opinion, i dont care honestly.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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A baby is a gift!!!I am 25, young fit and healthy. Started on the pill at 18, came off it a year ago ........in a loving relationship of 7 years, yet have been trying for a baby for 5 months with no luck!
I do not understand how people just get pregnant at the drop of a hat. Considering it is a medical know fact that there are only 4 days in a month that you cant get pregnant!! And a women under the age of 27 only has a 35% chance of getting pregnant.
If a lady can have 1 child is a miracle in itself yet alone 3 or more children.
But this is what the government want......give women jabs and pills to mess with the hormones and then it becomes very hard for them to get pregnant. If I had known that the pill would make it very hard to get pregnant later in life I wouldn’t have taken it. I would have stuck to condoms.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by sweetpeanc

Originally posted by mortje
Good initiative. In the end it'll mean that the average intelligence of the people will rise which could up the chances of a 'better world'.


Ever see "Idiocracy"? It's about that very idea.


I liked that movie. I think that you should pass an intelligence test before you conceive, or you can't have children. I'm one of five, the middle child, my older brother and sister are married, my sister is pregnant with her first child, and right now, we're doing pretty well for a working class family.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:11 PM
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All we need to do is colonize space to solve the problem with overpopulation.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 08:22 PM
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There is no logic to your population concepts.

There is no population problem in the First World.

Your problem is already solved.

So, if you are trying to fix a problem that does not exist here then you are not being logical. You are only emotional.

That emotion is hatred of fertile women and children.

The solution to your problem has already come about, and it is all around you.

Yet, it is not good enough for you.

I bet you want to complain about RFID, and invasions of Iraq. Yet, when you see a woman with 4 children you want to INVADE her abdomen. Not because population is a problem here, but because she ENRAGES you. For no logical reason.

You are your own monster. When the time comes for your chip, you have no basis on which to not line right up. You believe, you want to be allowed to cut into another human being to control them. You ARE the monster you hate.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 09:26 PM
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Two? They should limit it to one and you will have to prove you want it and can take care of it. Like they do when you adopt animals from a rescue organization. Usually animals no one wanted anymore or could take care of.



posted on Feb, 3 2009 @ 11:47 PM
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Wow, using global warming as an excuse to abort babies?
I don't think over population is the real problem here, more like lack of education and a crappy government system.

My fiance and I both work in the coal mining industry. That's got a lot to do with global warming. Why don't they come and abort us too?

After we get married we plan to have 2 - 3 kids. Just try and stop us! If something is wrong with either of us, or for some reason I can't conceive, we will join that 8 YEAR waiting list to adopt.



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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to hell with this guy...

I'm on Three and counting...

Dumb ideas people have, has to be an Einstein out of every Billion or so to adavance the human race, not having children only slow us down...

worried about the Earth, Then stop fighting and get ready to head to other worlds with all the money being wasted...

Bozo this guy is, same type of person that makes money thinking they can take it with them when they die...



posted on Feb, 4 2009 @ 01:57 AM
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The government should be allowed to tell you how many children you can have when you're using tax payer money to support them. There was a story the other day about the mom who gave birth to octuplets(she already had 6 kids). The father isn't around, so how is this mom in any possible way to supposed to be able to give enough attention to each of her 14 kids? If there is no father in the picture, who is paying for the hospital stay, fertility drugs, childcare etc.? If it turns out it's a government program funded by taxpayers, then they have every right(and therefore so does the taxpayer) to tell this woman she shouldn't be allowed to have anymore children. Anyone who is having more children to get more welfare money shouldn't be allowed to have anymore kids. If you can't afford to take care of yourself, what kind of life would you be providing for a newborn by bringing them into this world, poverty breeds criminal behavior.



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