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Originally posted by Long Lance
even if that was so, the UN is still a bunch of wanna-be world rulers who are run by defunct politicians and generally out of touch. when they don#t get what they want, they lie, threaten and whine via PR campaign, if applicable. real classy.
Originally posted by masonwatcher
Fantastic detective work reading between the lines. What a relief! It must mean that 1300 civilian didn't die after all and water for hospitals is not so important.
Many thanks for setting the record straight.
Star and flag for you.
Originally posted by dbates
Well, Hamas doesn't exactly like to brag about their members getting killed.
No one is going to lob 3 mortar rounds into the same location without some intel that indicates a target.
I have no problems with acknowledging that civilians and innocents were killed. Still I'm not naive enough to believe that it was just a lovely day at the market when 3 random rounds came in for no reason what-so-ever.
Like I said earlier, that's not the issue. 43 people were killed. Why didn't the U.N. state that 43 were killed for no reason?
Why the need to elevate the situation into a story of how a school was attacked? Pure propaganda.
Originally posted by centurion1211
Let me try and explain it to you this way and see if you can still maintain your sarcasm.
If the UN lied about this, then what else have they lied about? And then what is their real agenda? Maybe you and people that believe as you do are just being taken for a ride every time you take one of their reports as "gospel".
Any thinking person should find this very troubling.
[edit on 2/3/2009 by centurion1211]
Originally posted by deccal
Show me evidences that UN is lying intentionally, and second that UN has a hidden agenda.
Or I will show you evidences of brutally killed people.
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by deccal
The OP has already shown us the UN fabrications.
Others have also shown us the fabrications by hamas and hezbollah on "civilian deaths". Likely, what you want to show us is just more of that. We've also seen that hamas uses civilians as human shields and places their rocket launchers in schools, hospitals and mosques in order to claim atrocities.
What's your point, then. If none ...
Originally posted by deccal
You are right, I don't have a point to claim. You won: UN is fabricating, Hamas is using children as human shield.
What is your point then? I want to know, what you all, the defenders of killing, are really want say.
[edit on 3-2-2009 by deccal]
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by deccal
The OP has already shown us the UN fabrications.
Originally posted by dooper
How did they happen to drop three quick rounds on a street, with some 40-odd "civilians" present?
Originally posted by muzzleflash
no ones defending killing here
Originally posted by deccal
Originally posted by centurion1211
Let me try and explain it to you this way and see if you can still maintain your sarcasm.
If the UN lied about this, then what else have they lied about? And then what is their real agenda? Maybe you and people that believe as you do are just being taken for a ride every time you take one of their reports as "gospel".
Any thinking person should find this very troubling.
[edit on 2/3/2009 by centurion1211]
Show me evidences that UN is lying intentionally, and second that UN has a hidden agenda.
Or I will show you evidences of brutally killed people.
Mr Abbas has accused Hamas of having "taken risks with the blood of Palestinians, with their fate, and dreams and aspirations for an independent Palestinian state".
Did you read the posts on the second page? It is proven that the UN didn't lie. Care to refute the image and video showing the school being bombed?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by BlueRaja
No one is saying there hasn't been collateral damage. What is being said is that the true numbers are being exaggerated. This is what the head of the PLO says about Hamas-
news.bbc.co.uk...
Mr Abbas has accused Hamas of having "taken risks with the blood of Palestinians, with their fate, and dreams and aspirations for an independent Palestinian state".
"In briefings senior [Israel Defense Forces] officers conducted for foreign diplomats, they admitted the shelling to which IDF forces in Jabalya were responding did not originate from the school," Gunness said.
"The IDF admitted in that briefing that the attack on the UN site was unintentional." He noted that all the footage released by the IDF of militants firing from inside the school was from 2007 and not from the incident itself.
Originally posted by deccal
Originally posted by BlueRaja
No one is saying there hasn't been collateral damage. What is being said is that the true numbers are being exaggerated. This is what the head of the PLO says about Hamas-
news.bbc.co.uk...
Mr Abbas has accused Hamas of having "taken risks with the blood of Palestinians, with their fate, and dreams and aspirations for an independent Palestinian state".
Which numbers are being exaggerated?? The numbers of death people, and the proportion of death children, all these "numbers" are officially declareted..And not from "primitive", "uncivilized" media sources but from Western sources. Now tell me, if you even now dont believe, why did you believe in numbers of death people in WTC, in American Soldiers in Iraq, in Oklohama City etc. etc..Becuase they were members of civilized world. Death numbers of "barbars" does not count I suppose.
[edit on 3-2-2009 by deccal]