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Originally posted by SiberianTiger
SHOW THE LINK- SITE RIGHT NOW I CHALLENGE YOU BEFORE THE ATS COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS!!! RIGHT NOW SHOW THE LINK WHERE U.S. SCHOLLARS HAVE SAID THIS ( I KNOW THEY HAVEN'T AND IF THEY DID IT WILL JUST BE YANK lying to help Yank make Rus look bad) now do as I said! plus Russia gave the TOTAL Korean- chinese- Rus MiG 15's that were brought down 231 Chinese/Korean MiG, Yaks and Sukoi's plus 335 Rus MiG 15's a total of 366 compared to 1106 that's still a killing and we (Russians ain't concerened with korean chinese figs) were showing our "MIGHTY RUS's MiG figures compared to F-80/84/86 figs
[edit on 30-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]
[edit on 30-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]
Originally posted by SiberianTiger
this site a yank site ofcourse there going to say this claims of Russia's overstates, Rus has said 1106 F-80/84/86's TOTAL losses while VVS lost only 335 MiG 15s thats what we have always said.
[edit on 30-1-2005 by SiberianTiger]
Despite its apparent virtues, the MiG-29 has not fared well in actual combat use. It has flown in combat in the 1991 Gulf War, over Serbia, and in the Eritrea-Ethiopia conflict in 1999. At least a dozen have been shot down, with no victories. Some have seen this as a sign of the MiG-29's deficiencies, but it would perhaps be more accurate to say that its failure reveals that in modern aerial warfare, tactics, pilot training, and a complete air group (with electronic warfare, tactical recce, AWACS, and tanker support) are more significant than individual aircraft qualities.
It's the same site that Grunt provided. It's the one that said America only shot down 300 Russian Mig-15's.
As no Chinese archives have been opened up at this time, only USAF claims against Russian air forces have been reviewed. (In other words, the claims against Chinese air forces are counted here, without any challenge.)
The numbers shown above, and used throughout, are claims, and are almost certainly in excess of the actual number of MiGs downed. During the war the USAF pilots claimed over 800 enemy planes. Postwar research revised that figure downward to 379, which closely matches the admitted Russian losses of 345
Of course, your stupid dogfighting tactics become completely useless when an F-14 can shoot you down from >100NMs away.
Originally posted by SiberianTiger
I don't believe F15/16/18's are peices of junk but I defenetly know with certainty Sukoi's and MiG's are better than Yank's planes and Russian Radar's on Fighters are beter AND Rus dogfighting tactic are the BEST in the world.
I don't believe F15/16/18's are peices of junk but I defenetly know with certainty Sukoi's and MiG's are better than Yank's planes and Russian Radar's on Fighters are beter AND Rus dogfighting tactic are the BEST in the world.