Must read: We can defeat chemtrails!!!

Originally posted by predisposed
We can defeat chemtrails!!!

Yes we can, through education on the fact that chemtrails do not exist.
They are nothing more then a myth on the Internet. I recommend studying both aviation and/or meteorology to learn the reasons they do not exist.

Originally posted by predisposed
I am not too sure on how this stuff works, but it is an adaption of the Wilhelm Reich Cloudbuster which will drain of the deadly orgone energy that is collected.

Here is how they work…
You send the site owner $90-$245 USD, and he sends you some garbage that he glued together in a pot with a street value of about $.45. Then he takes your money and laughs at you as he is depositing it in his bank account. Meanwhile you sit on your back lawn, next to your CON-buster, looking up at the still present contrails and you start to become educated to the truth of Chemtrails. So technically he does as advertised and makes chemtrails disappear.

Originally posted by predisposed
chemtrails are no joke.

I ALWAYS get a good laugh out of them myself.
So their being a joke is simply a matter of perspective.

I find the chemtrail conspiracy theory too far fetched. First, what makes a chemtrail different from a contrail based upon scientific evidence? Is the difference easily observable? If not, then how do you know which one is which? Further, why does every single aircraft make these trails?

It seems like a CT saw a contrail for the first time and overreacted to it. Contrails have been around since before the first airplane went up. It's pretty easy to understand how they are formed when airplanes create them. Some are not even man made.

contrailscience.com...

A poster/member of another forum I read, showed us that:

Wheather forecast, German TV, state sponsored broadcaster ZDF, january 14th 2009.

From app. 0:40 in the clip, the forcaster says, pointing to southern germany,
"..will be only snow and ice in the south..."

and then he points to the west of Gemany, saying:
" ...and here we got something that we cannot identify as rain or snow.
Here, in the west, these sinuous lines - This was most likely produced by some planes,
military planes, over the North Sea this afternoon, at an altitude of approximately
5 or 6 kilometers . This has nothing to do with the weather."

One can clearly see the chemtrail-lines on the screen in the back.

www.youtube.com...

EDIT : Are we to believe those who say that these are chaffs ?
HUNDREDS of miles long chaffs ?

Blue skies.

[edit on 2009/3/11 by C-JEAN]

Seems there is a trickle down sort of disclosure going on about weather modification (which I consider part of chemtrail phenomenon). Here is another link, which is deceptive as it has a picture of an Evergreen firefighting 747 on it instead of the chemtrail spraying ops:

www.gizmag.com...

They can't hide it for ever, and standard practice of TPTB is incrementalist aclimatization. You can't throw a frog into a boiling pan of water, but if you slowly put up the flames with it already in the pan...

reply to post by Zepherian


Who says the whole article isn't deceptive?

If they can't tell the difference between an aircraft seeding clouds and the Evergreen Supertanker dropping fire suppressant, how are we supposed to believe anything they say?

reply to post by Chadwickus


We're not supposed to believe anything, we're supposed to critically analyze it.

I see no motive or advantage in the whole article being deceptive, but hey, if it's your theory, run with it. Evidence and reasoning please.

Originally posted by C-JEAN

Wellll. . . I believe in that, with contrails made of water vapor.

But, I'm not sure it can work on chemtrails made of solid particles ?

Actually "chemtrails" comprise of ice crystals - why else do you think they produce sundogs and the like?

And the only way to stop them is to stop flying.

Just remember: next time you board a flight from New York to Paris you are indirectly responsible for spraying a "chemtrail" over my house

Here is a chat answer from *another* worried person,
from another forum:

posted 10-07-2002
Chem 11 I'm with you. (Haze)

Start at the top.
LOOK UP. Explain what is seen.
Explain what the red powder substance is in my bird bath.
Explain what the very fine strands hanging from my trees and telephone wire, bushs etc, are.
Explain Why the doctors are at a loss to explain why so many people have breathing problems
such as asthma etc.
Explain why we cannot get this subject reported on in National papers.
Explain why this topic is so high on the debunkers agenda if there is no substance to the
claims (backed with evidence) by so many people.
The fact that we ARE being sprayed is not in question, Why and what with, is.

There is more than one answer to each question.

Normal contrails are NOT the answer to either.

I do not get involved in debates with debunkers I know they know, or they would not debunk,
so I do not preach to the converted.

However several people are reading about chemtrails, talking about chemtrails, and looking up,
to see with their own eyes. this will go on and on and on.

The chemtrails are not about to stop.
and nor is the debunking or the debunkers.
-However the gap is growing between the aware and the unaware, and it can only get bigger.
(100 monkeys and all that)

That seems a seriously made study:
www.chemtrailcentral.com...
And one result is ?:

Summary of Results
Additionally it was discovered that the jets that were responsible for leaving highly
persistent trails that last for hours did not ever appear on Flight Explorer and were
documented for 8 separate instances, including one instance with two jets in formation.

As you can see here, no evidence.
Just stuff to think about.

Blue skies.

[edit on 2009/3/16 by C-JEAN]

If we are going to start using forums as evidence, then lets see what professional pilots have to say on the topic, em?

I'll use AirlinePilotForum:

Chemtrails, Funny Stuff
There's a show on Discovery right now called "Best Evidence". They're examining the whole "chemtrails" conspiracy theory. One lady from California in particular is a riot. She has a wall of pictures showing differnet 'chemtrail' styles. The show paid a lab to perform analysis on jet fuel samples from across the country. I'll let you guys guess what they found...
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I watched it for a few minutes before I had to turn the channel. It was a good laugh.
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I saw this show today on the Disc. Channel.
What a joke...
But if i didnt know anything about jets, i would have so bought the whole story...
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There's no way to distinguish the diffference between chemtrails and contrails because there is no such thing as chemtrails.

Chemtrails
So, maybe I have been living under a rock all this time, but I have only recently heard of this things called chemtrails. From what I have read, it seems that there is a group of people who believe that a contrail should last no more than 5 minutes, and if it does then it is a chemtrail. They seem to believe that the government is spraying chemicals, from some unknown reason.

I saw some pictures of the supposed chemtrails, and they looked like contrails. I personnaly think it is all crap, and just some guys poor understanding of meteorology, and have tried to explain that to some of these people, but they won't hear it, because contrails, by some unknown law, can only last a short time.
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played a golf with one of those tree-hugger types last year who spent the first 5 holes complaining about how the airlines are shortening our life spans. the next 13 holes he decided to complain about how contrails ruin his blue sky and how the EWR traffic makes him suffer day in and day out...
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Well, from what it seems, they don't think all contrails are chemtrails, just the ones that last more than 5 minutes.

I can imagine seeing these people sitting in lawn chairs, with tin foil hats on, and a timer, timing each contrail, then when it exccedes 5 minutes they start running and yelling about the government spraying them with chemicals. I kinda feel bad for them.

I thought I was the only one who had to deal with these people.
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Most of the people that believe this are the same conspiracy theorists that swear there was a second gunman, that we didn't land on the moon, and the "victims" of 9-11 are in the witness protection program because it was an elaborate plot to bring us to war. Oh, the second plane to hit the towers was also a specially modified missile plane painted in a UA scheme. These people also typically like to answer a question with another question.
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You're kidding me, right?

Your pilot license should be revoked just for posting this. What sort of chemicals do you put in YOUR fuel tank?

All jet engines make a lot of water as a byproduct of combustion. It's real cold up in the flight levels. Contrails are ice crystals illuminated by sunlight. Depending on altitude, humidity, winds aloft, they could last a long time or not be visible at all. High altitude clouds are also frozen water droplets. Contrails are basically long, narrow clouds.

Some old, old jets might actually produce some real smoke.
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Sorry, thought you were serious. This kind of crap is a pet peeve of mine. The world has enough real problems without spending time, energy, and debate on fantasies derived from the doped-up minds of semi-educated paranoids.
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No problem. I was just trying to figure out whether it was something others have heard about, or if it was just something this guy thought up. The more I look into the more I see how widespread it is (as in locations, not nesscarly people-wise), and how little facts are used in the arguements, and how they butcher meteorology.

Does anyone know who started this??? I heard it was some late-nate talk-show radio host who did other things like UFOs, and the like.

I have also read that these people actually harass NASA meteorologists and the like. I have tried to go about disproving them, but they completely ignore facts.

So what you think of chemtrails now?