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Originally posted by Illmatic67

Originally posted by zerotime

In the Apocalypse of Peter he sees the spirit of Jesus standing next to the Cross laughing while a body of Jesus is dying and/or dead on the cross.

Not really.

I'm sure you can interpret the passage any way you want but I�ll include it and give some reference.

- Quote from The Apocalypse of Peter -
�When he said those things, I saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said "What do I see, O Lord, that it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?" The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."

�But I, when I had looked, said "Lord, no one is looking at you. Let us flee this place."
But he said to me, "I have told you, "Leave the blind alone!". And you, see how they do not know what theyare saying. For the son of their glory instead of my servant, they have put to shame."

�And I saw someone about to approach us resembling him, even him who was laughing on the tree. And he was filled with a Holy Spirit, and he is the Savior. And there was a great, ineffable light around them, and the multitude of ineffable and invisible angels blessing them. And when I looked at him, the one who gives praise was revealed.�
- End Quote From The Apocalypse of Peter-

I think it is obvious just from the text itself that the person that Peter sees is not alive. No one else can see Jesus walking around and laughing besides Peter (Peter Says: "Lord, no one is looking at you. Let us flee this place.�) and there was, �a great, ineffable light around them� because �the multitude of ineffable and invisible angels blessing them.�

In Christianity there are two Jesus' - The living Jesus who taught us, lived a perfect life, cast out Satan, performed miracles, and went to the cross to die. Then there is a resurrected Jesus - The Jesus who has sacrificed himself, defeated death and has taken away the world�s sin. In every one of the Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) when Jesus appears before his disciples after the crucifixion no one can quite recognize Jesus until he shows himself to them. They see the Godly spirit of Jesus, which is quite different from the man they knew when Jesus was alive. Exactly, the same as Peter�s vision.

It is really the following line that causes the problems and mostly it is just a false interruption derived from focusing on one word in an entire book. Peter Writes, �But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness.� People read the word substitute and immediately jump to the conclusion that there are two different Jesus. One fake Jesus on the cross and the real Jesus who somehow escapes the crucifixion. This idea could not be more wrong. Christianity proclaims that Jesus IS THE SUBSTITUTE � for our sins. Jesus Christ Death = A substitute. The death we deserve has already been suffered.

[Edited on 13-4-2004 by zerotime]