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Muslim Population Rising 10 Times Faster Than Rest of the UK

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posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by monkcaw
Mdv2, I look at what's happening in the U.K. and the Netherlands and know it's just a matter of time before America must face the challenge of muslim integration. In fact, small changes are already underway.


Not to be rude, but where have you been? The largest Muslim population outside of the middle east, and Asia, after Paris, is Dearborn, Michigan, and it has been for quite some time.


When foreigners come to America I want them to become American: learn our language, eat some apple pie, get a job and a mortgage, and work hard until they're ready to retire in peace. Apparently that's asking too much because most of them just want to build mosques, demand separation and special exemptions and practice sharia law. So my question to them is: can't you do that in your own country?


Why should they? America is the melting pot. In Arizona, while my kids were in school, Hispanic immigrants, legal and not legal were catered to by way of Spanish speaking only classes for them. Wake up!


Well, if that's the way they want to be, I'd rather they stay in their own countries. I'm especially offended at the thought at sharia law being practiced in America or any liberty loving culture.


I find this and intersting comment. What about Mormon's, who are Americans, but practice multiple marriages, even to under age females? Ever hear of throwing stones at glass houses? There's a lot wrong with Americans right in your own country.


I admire what Gert Wilders is doing in the Netherlands, but the U.K. is beyond hope. I'd like a general ban on all immigration from muslim countries, they can keep their jihad at home.


It's interesting to see that racism, and religious persecution is still alive and well in America. The Land of the Home and the Free!


defend your culture, language and borders: resist the jihad.


Unless your a native American, I find this comment, idtiotic in the least. Where does your heritage come from? Europe some place by chance?




posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
When a minority group becomes the vocal majority in any society the losers are always the ones that lose their voice.


it isn't the vocal minorities fault that the silent majority stay silent, if you are too lazy to bother speaking then don't complain that you haven't been heard.


Originally posted by blueorder
the quandry is that which has made us great (freedom and acceptance) could also destroy us as we take it to extremes and lose our moral and cultural compass.


i don't agree, either we are strong enough to remain free despite the onslaught of totalitarian intolerance or we are not, if any member of society loses their freedom our culture is already destroyed.

you people are so used to your freedom that you think it's cheap.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:14 PM
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Hmm, Muslims in the UK dont want to (or are believed not to want to) inigrate in the UK sytem.......... Well lets put that into some perspective:

The Islamic faith is feeling and has felt for a very long time the backlash of the anti-islam feeling started by our loving government with their false flag ops....

They as a people are only doing what every other culture (Europeans take note, Especially those in the USA descended from Europe) have done in eons....

They move to a country to spread their seed and faith (christianity, U remember, u dont believe you die?). If they are the majority they win in the long run as the minority will, i repeat WILL get swallowed up and diluted by the majority.......

The two faced of whites is unbearable..... lol (im a white brit too, And a former soldier serving all over the middle east but im not a scared racist moron).

I have lived all over the UK in some muslim majority areas..... Wakefield, London, Preston and never one time have i had any problems with muslims or the muslim faith...... Not 1 time.... I for 1 will always welcome Muslims into my cummunity, if they chose to have 300000 kids per family then good for them... We as a species will prevail



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Outbreeding the enemy is a form of warfare that has been practiced for all of recorded history. That's why Moses was 'lost' in the desert for all that time. He was breeding an army so that he'd be able to enter into the 'promised land' with a full force in order to take over. It was pure military strategy.

Radical Islam is at war with everyone who isn't what they are. Outbreeding is a 'fun' way of destroying the enemy without shooting anyone.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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It shouldn’t matter how many muslims are in your country, how many mosques they build, how many kids they have, heck, it really doesn’t even matter if they integrate or not. We should be able to rest easy knowing that our Western nations have a rich legal heritage protecting freedoms and enforcing laws that establish justice for all who live in our borders. So even though many muslims choose not to adopt the culture of a host country, they have no choice in abiding by the law of the land.

The reality is quite sadly different in the U.K. and the Netherlands. Politicians in these countries are so fearful of inciting muslim violence they unjustly quell speech that muslims may find offensive. In the U.K., Christian evangelists are told not to enter certain muslim neighborhoods because their preaching may incite violence, violence that law enforcement will not prosecute. Apparently, their freedom of religion and speech must end at the border of a muslim neighborhood.

In the Netherlands, Gert Wilders, leader of the Freedom Party is facing charges for what amounts to criticizing Islam in his film, Fitna. Politicians that share his views live in fear for their lives, in their own country, because muslims threaten to kill or silence anyone who speaks negatively about Islam.

When governments elect to silence speech critical of Islam, in the interest of “keeping the peace”, they become proxies of sharia law.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:27 PM
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And while everyone is moaning about all the Muslims Poland has taken the entire South East of England without anyone even noticing.

"Cześć!"



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
Outbreeding the enemy is a form of warfare that has been practiced for all of recorded history. That's why Moses was 'lost' in the desert for all that time. He was breeding an army so that he'd be able to enter into the 'promised land' with a full force in order to take over. It was pure military strategy.

Radical Islam is at war with everyone who isn't what they are. Outbreeding is a 'fun' way of destroying the enemy without shooting anyone.



Ok, I have a real problem with this post. Having had neighbors who were from Iran in the past, I think what you say is pure garbage. They were related to the Shah, and moved here for freedom, just like most immigrants. The stories they told about not being able to even attend school for fear of bombings brought tears to my eyes.

Honestly, do you really believe they move here, for global domination by way of breeding versus freedom?

If so, that really sucks, in my opinion!

How about they want a nice normal life for thier children away from tyranny and war?

Could it be they believe in American values of live and let live?

Really, I find what you put here, racist and awful.

And like I asked another poster, how did you happen to be a citizen of the US? You have roots in some other country, and relatives that chose to move here for some reason. Could they have moved here for something as simple as religious persecution?



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:35 PM
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No is not, "garbage" is a historical fact and a way to wag war, at least from the view point in the bible.

When the enemy can not win by means of violence they find another way, even if it takes one or two generations to fulfill.

Is very simple, when the minority becomes the vocal mayority the majority tends to become silence.

Obviously that is what is going on in the UK, no matter how the "majority" complains, only the vocal minority is listened to, catered too and the rest has to bend their rules and their wishes to them.


[edit on 2-2-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Enthralled Fan
 


No is not, "garbage" is a historical fact at least from the view point in the bible.


Ok, so, your saying the Muslims who move to other locations, have read the Bible, when their book is the Koran, and came about this evil plot? LOL, sorry, I think most of them just want to survive, and never considered it.


When the enemy can not win by means of violence they find another way, even if it takes one or two generations to fulfill.


So I guess that would explain all the Germanic of the Lutheran faith, people moving to the US at a time........world domination! LOL, you crack me up!


Is very simple, when the minority becomes the vocal mayority the majority tends to become silence.


You must be very frightened of having a black president then.


Obviously that is what is going on in the UK, no matter how the "majority" complains, only the vocal minority is listened to, catered too and the rest has to bend their rules and their wishes to them.


What I find very sad, is that I have a very good friend who is from Indian descent, who lives in the UK, previously from the US but born in Kenya. She said she is faced with bias all the time for her heritage, yet is of the Hindu faith. Excuse me, but I see a lot of racial profiling going on, with little facts/

edit to fix quotes

[edit on 2-2-2009 by Enthralled Fan]



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:50 PM
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For those of you whining about how us RACISTS! are "badmouthing" those nice Muslims, just ask yourself which is easier:
1. Building a mosque in "racist Europe", or
2. Building a church in the "tolerant Middle East".

Hint: It ain't 2!



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
I have a real problem with this post.

Because you didn't bother to read it carefully.


I think what you say is pure garbage.

Because you didnt' bother to read it carefully.


Really, I find what you put here, racist and awful.



1 - Islam is NOT A RACE.
2 - I said RADICAL MUSLIMS ... not all muslims. BIG DIFFERENCE.

Seriously fella .. read the posts before getting all wonky.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 01:56 PM
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Exactly marg.
You get it.

In the Old Testament, when someone was the 'underdog', they'd use outbreeding as a weapon of war. It took a long time (if you consider 40 years long). But it was definately a form of warfare. They used the resources that they had to engage the enemy. And in the case of outbreeding the weapon they had was their own reproductive skills.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
I have a real problem with this post.


Because you didn't bother to read it carefully.


Did you want to add more to the original? Which was way to quick, and a drive by slam in my opinion.


I think what you say is pure garbage.


Because you didnt' bother to read it carefully.


LOL, I got your point the first time around!


Really, I find what you put here, racist and awful.




1 - Islam is NOT A RACE.


Hence my point of racial profiling.


2 - I said RADICAL MUSLIMS ... not all muslims. BIG DIFFERENCE.


Ok, so you are fine with the average Muslim, versus a radical? Out of curiousity, how are you distinguising the two, or can ya?


Seriously fella .. read the posts before getting all wonky.


Hence my point. I am a female!

edit to fix the quote, but I'm to pissed off to figure it out!

[edit on 2-2-2009 by Enthralled Fan]



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by Cio88
It seems like left wingers often trash Christians, but defend a slew of actions by Muslims. Its as if they think being obtuse about Muslim problems makes them more "diverse", but trashing a perceived white religion like Christianity, makes them better in the eyes of minorities.


Just like the Lefties raged at the HOMOPHOBIC MORMONS!
for supporting Proposition 8, despite the fact that 70% of African-Americans and 53% of Hispanic-Americans also supported the gay marriage ban.

That's diversity for ya!



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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I'm in two minds on this issue. In some ways it's rather sad to see my locality the way it is now, when one looks back with the memories of youth. It is very different. I don't recognise it. People are quite upset with the way things have changed so fast around here. In no time the urban areas have gone to the recent immgrants and the culture has changed. Regardless of viewpoints a cohesive local society has been eroded and increasingly erased in no time at all.
On the other hand, these people seem a good lot and they are seemingly God fearing folk. Maybe they will herald in the arrival of God in a mass ufo landing. Swings and roundabouts really!



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
reply to post by marg6043
 


Exactly marg.
You get it.

In the Old Testament, when someone was the 'underdog', they'd use outbreeding as a weapon of war. It took a long time (if you consider 40 years long). But it was definately a form of warfare. They used the resources that they had to engage the enemy. And in the case of outbreeding the weapon they had was their own reproductive skills.


Herein lies the problem, you seem to be an expert on the OT, Muslims don't follow the OT, they follow the Koran. So, look that up, and show where it is suggested to overtake by population in the Koran, not the OT!



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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In the US American greed will be the down fall of our economy and the subjugation and acceptance of Muslim laws in order to accept their generous financial handouts.

America right now is losing its bigger investor China, so now America is turning to our "friend" in the rich Arabs nations to start taking over China's place.

So while the UK is getting a boom of birth rates America will get to be told how to use the money that will be handle for finance our debt.

Obviously many seems to ignore what goes on behind closed doors in our nations and with our politicians selling Americas culture and traditions for money.

Lawsuit Filed Against Treasury Department to Stop AIG Bailout Financing
of Terrorist Activities

Monday, December 15, 2008



The basis of the lawsuit is that AIG intentionally promotes
Shariah-compliant businesses and insurance products, which by necessity
must comply with the 1200 year old body of Islamic cannon law based on
the Quran, which demands the conversion, subjugation, or destruction of
the infidel West, including the United States. To help achieve these
objectives and with the aid of federal tax dollars, AIG employs a
three-person Shariah Advisory Board, with members from Saudi Arabia,
Bahrain, and Pakistan. According to AIG, the role of its Shariah
authority "is to review operations, supervise its development of Islamic
products, and determine Shariah compliance of these products and
investments."


actgrandrapids.vox.com...

Americas citizens will put to the test if we are to have now rich Arabs nations holding our debt.

November 5, 2008
Coalition to Stop Shariah to Protest U.S. Treasury Department's Efforts to Promote Seditious Shariah-Compliant Finance



Washington, DC: A new interfaith, bipartisan coalition of public policy organizations, human rights activists and religious groups, the Coalition to Stop Shariah, will hold a press conference Thursday morning, November 6, to challenge the U.S. Treasury Department's sponsorship of a training seminar for government employees on managing U.S. financial assets in compliance with Shariah Law. Shariah Compliant Finance is a program that has been described by its leading practitioners as "financial jihad" against the United States.


www.jihadwatch.org...

This happen under our noses last year and not even one reference of this traitorous act was even publicized in the media.

Because in America we the population means nothing when it comes to doing busines within the elite that rules the country.

We will be just presented with the next set of rules to make or debtors happy.

Wake up people things are worst that many thing.

Shariah Compliant Banks

Alpha Natural ResourcesAsset Acceptance Capital Corporation

Aviva Plc

AXA

Barclays PLC

BNP Paribas Group

Citibank, N.A.

Credit Agricole, S.A.

Deutsche Bank AG

Dow Jones & Company Inc.

Equity Insurance Group Limited

Goldman Sachs Group

HBOS plc

HSBC Holdings plc

INVESCO Perpetual

Julius Baer Group

Maersk Logistics

Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.

Morgan Stanley

NYSE Euronext

Silicon Graphics, Inc.

Singapore Power

GROUND RULES FOR THE
MANAGEMENT OF THE
FTSE SGX SHARIAH INDEX SERIES
Initially comprising the:
FTSE SGX ASIA
SHARIAH 100 INDEX


www.ftse.com...


4.2.1 Companies involved in the following activities will be considered to be non permitted business sectors:
a) Conventional Finance (non-Islamic Banking, Finance and Insurance, etc.)
b) Alcohol
c) Pork related products and non-halal food production, packaging and processing or any other activity related to pork and non-halal food
d) Entertainment (Casinos, Gambling, Cinema, Music, Pornography and Hotels)
e) Tobacco
f) Weapons, arms and defence manufacturing

4.2.2 After companies have been screened by their business sector activity, the remaining companies are further examined on their finances to ensure that those companies are Shariah compliant. Only those companies that pass the following financial ratios will be considered
Shariah compliant:
a) Debt is less than 33% of total assets
b) Cash and Interest bearing items are less than 33% of total assets
c) Accounts receivable and cash are less than 50% of total assets
d) Total interest and non compliant activities income should not exceed 5% of total revenue



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
I'm to pissed off to figure it out!

Your being 'pissed off' is self inflicted and based upon your own false assumptions. Your 'explainations' for your attitude were nonsensical. Your attempts at insults - 'asking' if I knew the difference between muslims and radical muslims was pathetic .. obviously I do since I purposely made a distinction between muslims and radical muslims.


Again - Outbreeding is a war tactic. It has been used through out all of recorded history. The 'underdogs' in the Old Testament used it. Moses used it. Christianity used it. What the Catholic Church calls Onanism is nothing more than outbreeding the competition. Radical Islam is at war with everyone who doesn't believe the same way they do. Their breeding rates are a direct result of their radicalized warlike religion - with a little ignorance is thrown in for flavor.

Oh .. and entrhalled, you being a female doesn't 'make any point'.

My being female doesn't make or unmake any point either.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
Muslims don't follow the OT, they follow the Koran. So, look that up, and show where it is suggested to overtake by population in the Koran, not the OT!

No kidding that the Muslims follow the Koran. Guess what? Moses is in the Koran as well as in the Old Testament. The Torah too.

Outbreeding is a well known war tactic. It changes demographics.
It is still used to this day.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
Muslims don't follow the OT, they follow the Koran. So, look that up, and show where it is suggested to overtake by population in the Koran, not the OT!

No kidding that the Muslims follow the Koran. Guess what? Moses is in the Koran as well as in the Old Testament. The Torah too.

Outbreeding is a well known war tactic. It changes demographics.
It is still used to this day.


Yeah, I know all that. I have studied it for a while. Have you ever put the OT and the NT next to a Koran and read them simultaneously? I have. Yep, I'm a nerd, and a curious one at that.

Jesus is also in the Koran.

I just want you to prove that is the goal of all the immigrants to the the UK and the US? Can you?



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