As some posters mentioned earlier and linked some speeches by R.C.Hoagland and 2012, which if you follow through about relative content it presents some interesting insights in to Torsion fields, altered states of physical laws and non conventional physics that exist all around us, in fact maybe the real physics that make the sun shine, planets revolve around stars and galaxies formed.
Through some experiments he mentions he might have probably proven with an experimental method results which mainstream science cannot ignore. For instance identified the flux of energy between planets, the connection that astrologers believe it exists between heavenly bodies and our planet, for instance a conjuction with sun venus and the earth gave away energy flow that was identified with a laptop computer, also the Allais experiment where a pendulum would deffy its normal gravitational motion during moon eclipses, also a device by N. Kozyrev a Torsion fields expert physicist which was reacting to any energy buildup including intense emotions and thoughts.

What I believe 2012 might be.

That's my crazy totally unscientific theory about what the 2012 might be:

A hoax.
Make people believe something is going to happen so a huge energy buildup will happen and some dudes will use this excess energy for a magic ceremony to manifest something.

In 1999-2000 we all waited for the Y2K, and then Bush and then 9-11 happened.

What's "stored" for us in 2012?

2012 eve will be exactly 12 years after 1999-2000 new year eve right?

What is this, some kind of a new trend, or the dawn of a new kind of a pagan religion?

We the people globally by the MSM seem to be presented to two choices every now and then, either celebrate or develop fear every 12 years for a BIG NOTHING for Christ's sake! All in between we get constant doses of fear and anxiety for the world around us by the occasional everyday televised news. We are being conditioned for something.

Think about this people.

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Did any of the Mayans came to CNN and discussed what they meant by their calendar? how can we be sure about it? It's just conjectures.

Timewave Zero:

Timewave zero is a theory that purports to calculate the ebb and flow of novelty in the universe as an inherent quality of time. It is an idea conceived of and discussed at length by Terence McKenna from the early 1970s until his death in the year 2000. Novelty, in this context, can be thought of as newness, density of complexification, and dynamic change as opposed to static habituation. According to McKenna, when "novelty" is graphed over time, a fractal waveform known as timewave zero or simply the timewave results. The graph shows at what times, but never at what locations, novelty is supposedly increasing or decreasing. According to the timewave graph, great periods of novelty occurred about 4 billion years ago when Earth was formed, 65 million years ago when dinosaurs were extinct and mammals expanded, about 10,000 years ago after the end of the ice age, around late 18th century when social and scientific revolutions progressed, during the sixties, around the time of 9/11, and with coming novelty periods in November 2008, October 2010, with the novelty progressing towards the infinity on 21st December 2012 [1] — although, depending on what input is given to the software, any arbitrary set of results can be obtained, much like numerology.

What we see in this theory is that we have a progression, which is quickening. Goes faster in smaller cycles as time progresses.
Actually this might be right on the spot about what might happen.
and another guy might also have got it right about unswerving the riddle of the Mayan calendar, I forgot who he's on youtube, I will search and post back.
He was claiming that the Mayan calendar represents consciousness cycles on this planet. Like timewave zero is an accelerating cycle, with smaller progressing eras succeeding one another, the final in which the Mayan calender stops is 2012, but why?
These cycles cannot be represented literally but with some accuracy. 2012 could mean an era of lets say 50 or 100 years aprox. around 2012. It will be the time when the human race will discover or a monumental first step will be in the right path on how to control time and matter!
If you listen closely about torsion physics, we might be heading towards that future really soon!
Discovering how to control time and matter puts us in a very favorable position. We can travel and communicate across vast distances and it can let us solve the problems of how to effectively colonize space!
Think about it! it is the biggest step man will make after he became conscious!
A new era begins and the old calendars are no longer of use. Everything then will be open to speculation. Man can literally write his own destiny! He will be free!

That is what 2012 must be about!

Other forces on the other hand that might be able to control time and matter in our local vicinity, but with some restrictions, might not agree with this.

Another note:

One Vedic astrology theory holds that [the] Yugas
came in to existence in the following manner :
our Sun has its 'dark companion' (description of which suits the description of a black hole). Although smaller thatn the Sun, this 'dark companion' is more powerful and completely balck. Nothing comes out of it, but everything gets lost in it. Dark companion revolves around around the Sun in ellipse orbit. When the Dark Star comes between Sun and Vishnunabhi, it inhibits its beneficial influence. At that time, the period on Earth is that of the Kali Yuga. When Sun distance itself from the Dark Star, Vishnunabhi is completely open and we have Sat Yuga on Earth...

From the hyperdimensional physics lecture of R.C.Hoagland in the link part1 from another poster in this thread.

Every blessing comes with a curse. Maybe this is the curse will have to endure and try to keep and hold it together to reap the benefits of our future ascension in consciousness and technology.
I am sitting in a computer typing words away that thousands of people might read and accumulated my knowledge of what to post by people I would have no chance of knowing their theories through the same medium by which i communicate.
This is a real advancement in human civilization consciousness if you think really hard about it.
Things are close.
Definitely.

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Any time system is going to be arbitrary, 11:11 am doesn't mean anything to celestial bodies. There is no concept of time in space. We have to realize that everything we say and know is not shared with the rest of the Universe. If the mayans were around 5 million years ago with their calendars then it would be completely different. To understand time is to know that there is no beginning or end.

I use to believe in the 2012 stuff but you know what? It really will be just another day. Who knows all that could happen tomorrow. If you want spiritual enlightenment, don't wait around for it, make it happen.

Originally posted by spacebot

What I believe 2012 might be.

That's my crazy totally unscientific theory about what the 2012 might be:

A hoax.
Make people believe something is going to happen so a huge energy buildup will happen and some dudes will use this excess energy for a magic ceremony to manifest something.


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I too have thought about this, that the actual real reason behind 2012 will be missed because we will have created so much fear we do manifest something.

As I type this its 17:11 in the UK!!

Its like we are told this massive planet is coming, an asteroid will hit the Earth, only the chosen ones will be taken the others will fry into the sun etc etc believe this for 3 years and some sort of mass consciousness will click in Im sure and divert us from the real reason behind 2012.

Originally posted by Drea2up
Instead of seeing 11:11 on the clock, I'm always looking at clocks at 4:44. I often wake at 4:44 am and it began BEFORE I moved to an apt who's physical address is 4444.

I don't know yet what it all means, but I have faith that one day I will understand.

In the Chaldean system 4 symbolizes: D,M,T respectively which I find incredibly ironic enough

4 also symbolizes the "4th dimensionality" of time itself. It also symbolizes solidarity, mass, rationality, order, totality, and is associated with the "yin" or black side of the yin & yang symbol.

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beyond that, I've been thinking about the whole numerological phenomenon and am theorizing that if these numbers are by products of hyper dimensional energy (YES that includes psychosomatic energy), then time itself might be getting warped around certain times & thoughts. Maybe the events themselves(these hyper dimensional waves) don't happen at those times specifically but they incline us to look at the clock and sync ourselves to whatever "real time" we identify as "reality".

So why 11:11, 04:44, 02:22: 03:33, 12:12, etc? Because those are fairly anonymous times, that can be universally applied in just about any given "scene" one may be a part of. Think about dreams when you've looked at the clock, doesn't it generally read one number straight across? Even if jumbled 00:00? Yes there are exceptions to that but I'm talking about in a general context where time isn't a factor. So theoretically "timeless" energy and concepts can use those symbols to enter this reality, even if as only as a synapses in the brain.

Originally posted by SS,Naga
Before any 'party,' there's going to be a lot of 'dark before the dawn' type stuff, regardless. Does anybody know where I'm coming from? Dark first, then Dawn, just like in creation or birth itself.

Hell yeah! I hear ya...it's going to be "weird" from what I've seen. Before everyone starts asking "well what did you see?!" How about I just put it like this, there's certain concepts that need to be reconciled in some way in order to manifest for us in a new way, these include:

- The recalibration of what we think of a "financial system" and revaluation of necessity in general.

- "Spiritual" awakening in the sense that it will be recognized by the global consciousness that things like "ghosts" are real.

- Third, Extra terrestrial existence recognized by the global consciousness which would include a deeper understanding of the "stars".

What that will entail and "take", is literally up to all of us here in the world.

I know a lot of people are worried about earth changes and if there are accompanying earth changes such as earthquakes, floods, etc due to whatever reason, then they're just going to happen. -shrugs- If there is anything we can actually do it would be to change our frequency (and maybe "polarity" in a sense") to a more nurturing frequency to allow a channel for excess energy to manifest through us as creation & awareness for instance. Your thoughts literally matter to your environment, so the more harmonious of a frequency we vibrate on the more it helps to facilitate equalization back into harmony then if you're starting from an agitated state. Like thinking doomsday is coming for sure and being scared out of your mind about it; then something does happen but not what you're thinking; and your mind was totally on Nibiru or a black hole, or whatever; you're not going to see the very real danger that might be happening around you. But then how is that different from any other day? That of course to being opposite of having a centered & grounded state of mind that allows for and is prepared for whatever and calmly handles & over comes adversity.

I know people like to say "prepare for the worst but expect for the best" but I'm really starting not to like that because even within the belief statement itself it invites "the worst". So I've been saying:

Practically prepare for all outcomes, & expect only the best!

Hopefully the "birthing pains" will be quick and won't involve a bunch of people dying.