And in a short sentence, what does that mean for all of us? And what's going to happen in normal person talk on 12.21.2012?
Also, what kind of visions have you had  I wan't to fly around in space.
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ok this is wat i dont get...now on 2012 i know there is supposed to be a big alignment with the galactic center of our galaxy that hasnt happend while
humans or any beings for that matter have inhabited this planet..now scientist have speculated that anything could happen to the earth from pole
shifting, to atomosphereic depletion, to a big nothing, Now what im wondering is that hasnt this happened before at sometime if not here than in a
distant galaxy mabye at this very moment, cant we jus look to the stars to see our fate in another galaxy whos stars are aligned with its center... i
mean if its such a big issue why cant jus use our technology to once again look to the heavens for an answer?..i mean surely within any galaxy
supporting billions of stars mabye there is just one aligned on its galactic center plane that we can take measurments from?
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This is just an 'opinion', right? Sure, it may be a very strong opinion, surrounded by a lot of personal faith, but this is just one person sharing
their point of view, right? Right?
Generally, in most things, I like to sit on the fence. I'm more of a 'I'll believe it 100% when it happens' kinda guy.
But I'm confused why this is getting so much attention. I could come forward and tell people about a dream I had where we all went to Mars in Giant
Hot-dogs, and this would be considered by some? I mean, think about it... the hot dog idea is not 100% impossible... so does that lend me some
credibility?
I read the op twice, but maybe I still haven't gotten it right. On 2012, we all go up onto a higher level of existence? Alright, if it happens, then
great! If it doesn't happen, then shame, but I guess we get to keep on living.
I'm not really one for predictions, myself. These sorts of stories have been going around for thousands of years, and yet there is still no proof
that man can see into the future. You'd think after 1000's of years we'd still have something.
The other day, my girlfriend slowed down the car in case the police saw her... then 2 seconds later, a police car pulled out of a road in front of
her. Now don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a psychic girlfriend... but isn't it more of a combination of fluke, chance, and luck?
Maybe I'm just reading this all wrong, and if so, i'm sorry, but why is this getting so much 'exposure'? Is because of all the bad that's
happening lately, that we cling on to anything remotely good?
Why, when people say "I have come from the future" they get banned and locked, but when people say "I had an out of body experience, floated away,
saw the future, came back, and smiled" they get praised?
Really, please do not feel that I am picking on anyone. Like I said, i'm on the fence... I would just like to hear the reasons why. I'm a curious
person.
Thanks, and hope I didn't step on anyone's toes.
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You say Now I'm not talking Illuminati-Niburu-misconstrued mayan end of the world crap about 2012" hehe
I say you are a dreamer...Mayan predictions are scientific facts not stuff you imagine in your brain like you do!.
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reply to post by 4demon
The story of the OP was about 1.5 posts on theory and 3 lines about the seen future so, a very smalle part of the total post. I mean, he mentioned it,
explained his theory without using his experience of the astral projection, then when he was finished explaining the theory with links and stuff he
said what he had seen in his travels. Even if he did not travel into the future his explanation about the workings is still interesting.
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reply to post by Shakesbeer
Sorry... but anything Richard Hoagland has to say I doubt highly first of all. I've listened to him rant and rave on Coast to Coast for 10 years and
he has been wrong everytime.
Though I appreciate how positive you are and how well thought out your work is I don't agree at all. Remember when the planets all lined up and
everyone said "harmonic convergence"? Well nothing happened and I highly doubt that something so far away, farther than the planets are, would
affect us in any way.
I guess all I can say is I hope your right and something wonderful happens... but I think its just going to be another day brother. But don't worry,
I'm sure some other astronomical convergence will happen for everyone to throw their hope on. 
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Originally posted by Kukulcangod
You say Now I'm not talking Illuminati-Niburu-misconstrued mayan end of the world crap about 2012" hehe
I say you are a dreamer...Mayan predictions are scientific facts not stuff you imagine in your brain like you do!.
Ummm... since when are predictions considered facts? You lost me there. 
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reply to post by Alienmojo
Because they are not seen as predictions. Like when you install a program to check where all the planets are and will be, is it a prediction that you
know where Venus will hang out or is it based on facts? The Mayan Calendar for instance was not channeled or something, it has been calculated.
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Looking forward to it! Sure hope it happens.
But has anyone answered the question about the TIME ZONE yet?
Time zone? Anyone?
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Originally posted by Alienmojo
reply to post by Shakesbeer
Sorry... but anything Richard Hoagland has to say I doubt highly first of all. I've listened to him rant and rave on Coast to Coast for 10 years and
he has been wrong everytime.
Though I appreciate how positive you are and how well thought out your work is I don't agree at all. Remember when the planets all lined up and
everyone said "harmonic convergence"? Well nothing happened and I highly doubt that something so far away, farther than the planets are, would
affect us in any way.
I guess all I can say is I hope your right and something wonderful happens... but I think its just going to be another day brother. But don't worry,
I'm sure some other astronomical convergence will happen for everyone to throw their hope on.
How about a few facts from your point of veiw where you believe Hoagland was wrong? I`m not saying your beliefs, I`m saying facts.
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What is that planet thats now visible? I live in Eastern Canada near Toronto and I see it every night in the SouthEast part of the sky and continues
to move east. Ive seen it all throughout Ontario since late December.
It's noticeably brighter and larger than any star and has a yellowish hue to it.
If anyone knows what planet it is, thanks.
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Before any 'party,' there's going to be a lot of 'dark before the dawn' type stuff, regardless. Does anybody know where I'm coming from? Dark
first, then Dawn, just like in creation or birth itself. The darkness of the new birthing being, cradled in the womb; then the birthing throes. I
suppose some say birth isn't traumatic for the fetus or the mother, right? Wrong.
Lot's of celebration after the birthing, even as the 'birthing' of a new state of consciousness (awareness), when cigars and drinks (milk,
anybody?) are passed around, a bit of cheering, good feelings, etc.
Take that to a personal-planetary level, and you have a period of chaos (first), then the new birth (consciousness level). Dig? So, hold onto your
hats, but keep your party whistles handy, just in case you make it.
And for all the people reading and posting, I have to tell you:
Not everyone is going to be invited to the party.
On a personal level, these events and 'time-sequences' are impersonal at the point where humans can intercede; they can increase their own
awareness, for there are the increased vibratory levels to be experienced. Many will not resonate with these higher oscillations.
Cake, anyone?
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