I have been interested in New World Order research now for about 3 years having spent probably 5,000 hours or more reading articles, watching videos, listening to audio, etc. all on the internet. Now, at age 59, I simply can not believe just how ignorant I really was at age 56. I was CLUELESS!

However, for many years prior to that I was interested in trying to understand what and where God is, and if this God did exist, just how did God operate. I wasn't affiliated with any organized religion because I couldn't find one that accepted me and all my questions and opinions.

Prior to even understanding what Intelligent Design or Evolution was all about, I would argue with atheists, on radio talk shows, or in college professor's offices that atheism had to be a false idea. Why? My argument always boiled down to one and only one point.

I argued that "order requires intelligent direction". That's it! No atheist could ever explain how this is false. Therefore, it must be true. It is the primary flaw to the philosophy of atheism. I would love for anyone to explain how order does not require intelligent direction. To me it is absolutely ludicrous to even attempt it.

Dr. Albert Einstein devoted the last 30 years of his life to proving his Unified Field Theory. He never did. However, he just knew it, intuitively. He honestly believed everything just had to be connected in order for things to make sense. Of course, this was a pretty big math problem he simply couldn't figure out.

Of course, the Buddhists call this oneness, or this idea that everything is interconnected or unified, Dharmakaya. The Hindu refer to this oneness of all things, this idea that everything is part of one living organic whole, as Brahman. The Taoists call it Tao. Jesus referred to it as The Kingdom of God.

More recently, particle physicists, quantum physicists, and other scientists have been toying with the idea of a 10 or 11 dimensional universe, all somehow connected by an incredibly sophisticated matrix of energy.

The bottom line is I am 59 years old and nobody has come up with any theory of it all that everyone agrees with. Hell, there are still people who reject the idea of God, preferring to believe all this just HAPPENED by luck?

Oh well, I decided to go with the only philosophy that actually makes sense to me, which is that this thing we call God is actually OMNIPRESENT, OMNIPOTENT, and OMNISCIENT. That is, the God I believe in is everywhere at once, occupying all space, simultaneously, possesses all of the power, and knows everything too.

Just supposing this is true, that makes YOU and ME 100% God, right? Just like a shirt is made of 100% cotton, we are each made of 100% God, right?

Just supposing this is true, that means we really are equal, right? I mean, how can 100% God be either inferior to or superior to 100% God? It can't.

Just supposing this is true, that means that we are each part of the whole which contains everything, right? Therefore, we already possess everything and lack nothing, right?

I believe that a global understanding and acceptance of the divine nature of mankind, the equality of all people, and the fact that we already have it all would make war impossible resulting in peace and prosperity for all.

Call me an idealist, but this is what I believe.

Further to the truth than most people IMO.

However, god is not technically "everywhere". If you look in genesis, then you will see it talks about creation, and then the spirit of god enters the creation.

The father is basically pure consciousness. Think of creation as a thought, just like your dreams.

Consciousness creates logic, logic can not create consciousness. The father is the thinker, creation is the thought. As the father knows all, all things which are possible are happening right now at the same "time", because "time" itself is illusion. You do not know all, and so you get the illusion of time, change and so on. Such is to be the son/daughter. I think, therefore I am.

I don't think your theory holds much water. Even if I was willing to grant you the statement "order requires intelligent design" unconditionally, you are still left to explain what you mean by "order."

Too often people are convinced there is a God because they see "order" in nature. (living animals with specialized organs, senses, etc. an earth that supports life and is the perfect distance from a star so that the climate permits life, etc) The fact is, what appears to be order is nothing short of chaos. Human babies are sometimes born with tails, our bodies are no longer covered with hair, yet most of us get useless "goosebumps," killer asteroids sling around the universe in what appears to be nothing short of a cosmic shooting gallery, over half of our DNA is useless "junk" that has been collected over millions of years of evolution and no longer serves and purpose in the modern homo sapien, etc.

These are just a few examples of what many people take to be "order" and that, upon closer examination, dont represent the sort of "order" that an all-knowing and all-powerful God would create.

In my opinion, you need a whole lot more than this "one and only one point" if you are going to consistently argue for a God.

I'm happy that you have made such realizations friend, congradulations.

Einstein was more of a genius than most people give him credit for it think. Unified Field Theory is very believable, we simply don't have what it takes to prove it yet, but with the breakthroughs in Quantum Physics and the like, i'm confident we'll get there some day.

Hopefully in my life time.

Cheers!

Thank you for putting into words something i have thought of for years yet found hard to describe to other people. I really do believe this is how it is, how it was and how it will be forever.

But how can you know that there arent many many gods??

If we were created then maybe it was done by something totaly different than a god even.. maybe aliens?

And even if one realy realy want to think fairies, gods or angels or makers created everything than there are 1000's of religions to choose from... they all have their version of things, but none can prove they are right.

BTW, did Yahweh also create life on mars? Who made the supposed bacterial life there? By your belief such things cant happen by "luck" as you call it, so it must have been Yahweh.

As far as i see it - not only humans are all God. Everything is God,material and beyond. I still find it hard to understand why material universe was created in this case, but maybe it is not for me to understand.

Great.

Call me when you get around to that "Walking on Water" and "Raising the Dead" stuff. Until then....

Later.

Originally posted by bwinwright
Prior to even understanding what Intelligent Design or Evolution was all about, I would argue with atheists, on radio talk shows, or in college professor's offices that atheism had to be a false idea. Why? My argument always boiled down to one and only one point.

I argued that "order requires intelligent direction". That's it! No atheist could ever explain how this is false. Therefore, it must be true. It is the primary flaw to the philosophy of atheism. I would love for anyone to explain how order does not require intelligent direction. To me it is absolutely ludicrous to even attempt it.

"Order requires intelligent design." I've heard this argument before, creationists attempting to use the second law of thermodynamics to disprove evolution. The second law of thermodynamics concerns energy thus this argument is irrelevant.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I don't think your theory holds much water. Even if I was willing to grant you the statement "order requires intelligent design" unconditionally, you are still left to explain what you mean by "order."

Too often people are convinced there is a God because they see "order" in nature. (living animals with specialized organs, senses, etc. an earth that supports life and is the perfect distance from a star so that the climate permits life, etc) The fact is, what appears to be order is nothing short of chaos. Human babies are sometimes born with tails, our bodies are no longer covered with hair, yet most of us get useless "goosebumps," killer asteroids sling around the universe in what appears to be nothing short of a cosmic shooting gallery, over half of our DNA is useless "junk" that has been collected over millions of years of evolution and no longer serves and purpose in the modern homo sapien, etc.

These are just a few examples of what many people take to be "order" and that, upon closer examination, dont represent the sort of "order" that an all-knowing and all-powerful God would create.

In my opinion, you need a whole lot more than this "one and only one point" if you are going to consistently argue for a God.

I think you are sorely confused. You are assuming his statement is true, and then ignoring the ramafications.

Btw, our bodies are still covered in hair, if they weren't goosebumps would be impossible (and btw, goosebumps do have a purpose, the arrector pili muscle raises the hair in your skin to gather a layer of air that moves with you, in order to cut heat loss down), asteroids slinging around are following carefully structured, observable, and repeating laws, human babies develop tails in the womb, some people just don't lose them (the tails exist on all of them), All of the organs in the body that were once thought to just be residual of previous evolutionary forms have all been discovered to have important functions, etc.

People don't know chaos when they see it. Chaos would be you not knowing which direction you were going to float after jumping out of bed in the morning.

With regards to the OP's post, i think your premise is a bit nonsensecal. To jump from "God is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere" to "everything is God" is a big step, and logic doesn't exactly follow. I think a more accurate statement would be "God is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere, therefore, no thing can exist without him"

What defines order?

2nd

Seconding what the other poster stated. Not just all people, but all animals and plants, all things, rocks even. All of matter is made up of nothing but energy, and all energy is just vibrations deciding to cocreate together. In my ideas, all that exists IS consciousness, and these vibrations, that create everything, are small vibrations of consciousness.

Another way to visualize it is to imagine your dreams! You actually are every single thing within your dream.....all of it created by your consciousness, even though you generally seem to be a singular consciousness in your dream, an identity, you are in fact the sum of all of it...the grass you walk on, the people you interact with, the sky above you...in your dreams all of it is made up of your consciousness.

In that way, perhaps our reality is a greater reflection of the paradigm in dreams. Albeit, in dreams we are the sole source of creation so we can manipulate them and do amazing things in our dreams, however, in awaking we enter the world of shared creation, so what we can manipulate is insulated by the belief others impose upon the world around us. Perhaps people such as Jesus, and Buddha, found access to the ability to see the truth so profoundly that they gained powerful enough faith to counter that of the people around them.....and perhaps that is the point of most spiritualities, to imbue enough faith in their followers to allow them to harness the power of the consciousness to Create, and by the capital Create i mean interact with the world around us (on a subatomic level) in the way that is perhaps our birthright?

I think this is right on.

Gave you a star.

I was thinking about starting a thread and asking,
"What did Einstein really do to improve humanity". But, I didn't.
Was all his 'profound' work just theoretical?

I like this thread, for all the none believers out there that would doubt their own existance, as but a fluke.

No matter what you call this creation, God, Allah, Wanketaen, Tetragammaton, the essence of this Creation is in every Atom, Cell, neutron, in your body.

All of these things are in there perfect order, It's human that is out of order, but they are allowed to be so.

There is nothing that one can take with them when they leave this place, but those things that are hidden.

In the Bhagavad-gita it is said Rama exhale, Rama inhale, when Rama exhale a part of this self was put into everything, everyone in this place.

Let those none believers, believe what they want.

Originally posted by sir_chancealot
Great.

Call me when you get around to that "Walking on Water" and "Raising the Dead" stuff. Until then....

Later.

This Einstein will agree with you sir_chancealot............ We are a product of God....... Until someone takes nothing and makes it something (hence creation).. I think we are far from being gods.