Neformore – Thank you, you completely stated and confirmed, my side of the debate.
What and how did you do that, you ask?
You confirmed, we can not escape the “real world”, we simply trade one “real world” for another.
You then went on to reiterate my point of – when we do try to trade one world for another it in fact, can cause more stress
in our lives,
than the previous world.
Let me show you, exactly how you confirmed and stated it.
I am inserting 2 answers from you, from my questions –
1st was the Question #2 - “did you move from one place to another expecting more happiness?”
Neformore’s answer – Yes
Follow up: My Question #3 - “was it everything you expected, etc?”
Neformore’s answer : No. But that was to do with another person, not with the circumstances of "the real world" - in fact what I did was
swap one part of "The Real World" with another, and in the attempt, literally drove myself into the ground trying to accomplish it.
Let’s dissect your answers above:
First you had an “illusion” expectation and “fantasy” of how moving was going to be beforehand, since you expected to have more
happiness before a move. Yet the new “Real World” did not work out.
The fact is, it does not matter if you blame it on “another person”, because an “illusion” and expectation was still involved due to your own
mind creations – even with a person. It is one those “if I had this person ______ or if I had that something ______ (you fill in the blanks)”,
then I will be happy syndrome.
The fantasies and illusions we build up in our mind are what convince us there is a “better world” than the one we are in, it does the same thing
to us with people.
Neformore, *as an extra bonus for me* (I really want to thank you for this point, as I was going to be going into a big discussion with it, but now I
do not need to), it seems, you implied, you had “more stress”
“ in the attempt, literally drove myself into the ground trying
to accomplish it.”
Right there implies, your mind’s illusions, fantasies and expectations of the “happier world” you were moving
to, ended up actually causing you more stress than you had before
. I am saying that, due to “your words”, you used.
So, you have (in those two answers) done my side of the debate for me.
Now, let’s just say you will beg to differ with me on that analogy, okay, I will give you a little leeway, just for the fun of it, because I don’t
want to end this discussion yet.
want to point out, you have taken my points in my opening, into a direction which is not there. Your opening was regarding an
“electronic bubble” escape – I addressed that statement, but my overall opening, was about how our “mind” creates imaginary “better
worlds” out there than our world’s we live in right now. The “electronic bubble” is just part of a world some of us live in, but it is
the points of my side of the debate.
The focus and direction of my side of the debate is - the fact we may “dream, fantasize and create illusions” in our mind, of leaving and escaping
the “Real World” – no matter where we may go, we would simply trade one “Real World for another”.
Because everything we “expect, visualize, day dream” comes from our minds – our illusions of the future, place or person ( It doesn’t matter
which it is), can still be an unrealistic expectation of what the future holds. Can you grasp, what I am saying? Our mind can convince us of
anything, if we let it. So we can be convinced by leaving everything behind we will create a perfect unstressed filled world.
Now – let’s go to a basis of trading our existing “Real World” to an escape of a totally different existence and way of living.
If we dislike our current situation we ourselves are in, how can we escape from it in a completely different way? Do we build and live in a hut in
the middle of a jungle, do we buy a sailboat and sail the high seas, do we find a cave or even a deserted island to hide away from all the problems
and stresses of the world?
The reality is, everyone of those situations and lives above would/could create a whole different set of challenges, we could be unprepared for, nor
considered during our creation of them as a “better world” in our minds.
Thinking of just a few realities of those worlds – which may not come to mind while we are “dreaming” them up, as the illusion is just too
perfect to think of negatives, is:
venomous animals, huge anacondas, yucky spiders, monsoons, malaria, finding food.
cyclones/typhoons/hurricanes, water sources, food sources, snakes, venomous animals.
aahh, I am laughing with this one, because I can tell you a million ways how “escape from reality” crashes down by doing this.
You know that song by Melissa Etheridge “My little secret”? The illusions and fantasies built up in the mind of a “perfect, stress free life”
by leaving everything you know and owned, to try and sail around the world, can in fact turn lives upside down and cause extreme situations that were
never considered or thought of ahead of time, which then puts your life at the very edges of death. It is in fact trading one “Real World” for
another, which at times can become an extreme “Real World”.
In saying the above, I want to also emphasize that if anyone has a dream or desire of leaving the situation and “real world” they are now
currently living.. DO IT. If it is a desire or dream that encompasses your very being do not let anyone
talk you out of it. But just know you
would in fact just be trading one world for another, with a completely different set of challenges and no
world is without stress, no matter
where it is. Thus there is NO escape from “reality”, it is just a trade off. Yet, another way of life can be immensely fulfilling if things that
may be of the negative are thought out, and not thrown away in the recesses of your mind, when fantasizing about a new way of living.
If we all think about it, no matter where we would go to “escape reality” another “reality” awaits us and in fact, it could be more dangerous
and extreme than the one we were leaving behind, especially if everything, is not thought out.
Questions from Neformore to me:
1. Do you remember life before the "internet revolution?"
Absolutely I do (puts age on my doesn’t it?)
2. If the answer to (1) is yes, how was life more difficult then?
No, it was not at all. But my knowledge has expanded in various subjects, due to researches I do on the internet. I also LOVE to to explore the
world's beauty from pictures of nature from places around the world, I have not gone to.
3. How many things do you own that you actually could not, ever, do without? (and please list them!)
This is super easy, first and foremost “My daughter” (though I don’t ‘own’ her), I could not do without her. Clothes for various weather
and temperatures, food, shelter and water. I can live without everything else, and in fact I have in previous times. I didn’t have my daughter
during them though. I will explain some of those times a little more in my next post, as it is very important and directly corresponds with this
debate and my side.
4. What was the last thing that really, really irritated you? (Be honest now!)
Honestly? – though it is taking the debate in a totally different topic, I will tell you……
The last thing, that completely upset
me (and still does), was when my thoughts came crashing down about our government – being “by the
people and for the people”. After calling everyone I could in government and even emailing Pres. Bush about being against the bailout and hearing
that millions were calling with the same opinion as my own – they passed it anyway! I fully and completely realized our government was “not for
or by the people” anymore and is completely corrupt. Side note: notice when I joined ATS? Oct. 16th 2008.
Question 1 –
Have you ever gone on vacation and beforehand – thought it would be paradise and everything would be “perfect” during it and it did not turn out
Question 2 – have you ever thought – If only I got that job/gift/money – after that I will be happy and then weren’t – because there was
always something else that was needed after that?
Question 3 – Has anything
ever turned out, exactly as you fantasized it would?
Question 4 – have you ever traveled outside your county, a place you always dreamed of going to, thinking it was a place you would like to live –
then when you get there, people who live there – say they have always wanted to live where you came from?
Oh, Neformore .......... the ball just got lobbed back to your side of the court!