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Icke? Lear? Sitchin? Who really knows best?

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posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 12:08 PM
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I have read so much and listened to so many talk about aliens, I really don't know what to make of all of it. I mean, David Icke makes the case that the Alpha Draconians have essentially created the 13 Illuminati families of hybrids, part human & part reptilian, about 50%/50% split.

Icke goes on to say that these 13 hybrid families not only control our planet but they, themselves, are controlled by full blooded Alpha Draconian reptilian types who live deep underground withing our planet.

I've listened to Alex Collier, Preston Nichols, Phil Schneider, Al Bielek, Stewart Swerdlow, George Green, Billy Meier and numerous others. Maybe they are all telling the truth, maybe they aren't. I just don't know.

Is there someone in this community who has actually had contact with aliens from other places in the universe or could recommend a person who is possibly considered the most reliable source for information about aliens and their activities on Earth? What is the most widely agreed upon scenario
of how it has actually unfolded and is occurring today?

I would appreciate some input from anyone on this subject. I am happy to look them up, read their stuff, or watch a video if there is one available.

Thanks.




posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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MAN!! i would love to know the same thing

i have also read tons of stuff listened to tons of video

they all seem to have some sort off inside track but like you asked who is the closest to the real info

great question s/f for your question



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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John Lear will be interviewed on Veritas (the show) on February 13. I bet you'll get answers to these questions.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Personally I tend to stay clear of the likes of Icke, Sitchen, Maxwell and Tsarion nowadays.

However, this is not to say that I have not listened to them at some point in my life. I have taken some knowlede from all of them but at the end of the day these guys are in the conspiracy business mostly for the money.

The researcher I put the most faith in at the moment is a man by the name of Alan Watt (not to be confused with new age guru alan watts).

I also have a great respect for John Lear and wish he was still posting at ATS.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:16 PM
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They all want you to buy their books and DVDs. The theories they state are all unproven, and most do not have a shred of evidence to support them. Pure conjecture may be fun to read, but it should not be taken as fact unless there is some type of evidence to support the claim. Mr Sitchin's evidence has been disputed by people who are learned in ancient Sumerian tablets. I have read his books, but take what he states with a very large grain of salt.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:31 PM
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To be fair, as far as I know John Lear is not trying to sell books or DVDs.
The only things he wants you to buy, are his theories.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by ziggystar60
reply to post by kidflash2008
 


To be fair, as far as I know John Lear is not trying to sell books or DVDs.
The only things he wants you to buy, are his theories.




John is a very rare exception in the conspiracy world. He is one of the few researchers who isn't trying to sell you his books (In fact he doesn't have any). Its refreshing to say the least


To be fair everything he says could be complete bunk but at least its free bunk



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Well, Sitchin deliberately misinforms. He is said to have strong ties to the Vatican. So, I assume he only reveals information in his books that are intended for the masses to know. Besides that he has a very unscientific approach in his sumerian translations or better interpretations.

So, other "messengers" like John Lear who quote and take information from Sitchin are equally misleading. Intentional or not.

David Icke has his place within this context. He discovered many really outstanding things in his career that have been proven accurate. Unfortunately, he takes a lot of his information out of context as well as "too" literal. He tries to fit everything into his ideology. Not behind every tree is a conspiracy!

George Green has his own sources which appear much more reliable than the above mentioned.

Michael Tsarion simply reads other books and puts the content together in a summary. It is not backed by primary sources or first hand scientific research. That is always a problem if you focus solely on other people's writings. Because they might have been wrong.

I can't really say much about the rest because I don't really know their teachings or publicized information.

But all of this is of course according to my personal judgement and might not actually reflect the truth.





[edit on 31-1-2009 by thegreatobserver]

[edit on 31-1-2009 by thegreatobserver]



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 03:11 PM
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These guys represent the 'crossroads' for people interested in UFOs and other conspiracies. You can't immerse yourself in the literature without finding references to them. Their assertions are so extreme that they usually polarize opinions.

The crossroads, as I see it, demands a choice between faith and evidence. To follow Lear and Icke requires more faith than evidence. They present profoundly disturbing dystopias that appeal to some people. Their theories are a representation of their worldview. Through the internet they can share and promote that view. Bertolt Brecht theorized that art can define life and I see parallels in their supporters. I think that the Lear/Icke reality is adopted by many and consequently takes on the semblance of actual reality. Their allegations and ideas are elaborate and difficult to challenge. Opponents are labeled misinfo/ disinfo agents or debunkers.

It doesn't take much effort to find holes in their theories. Contradictory evidence is available from a wide variety of sources. More importantly, different conclusions can be drawn from their 'findings' or 'research' that are more rational. Naturally, the defense model is attacking the critics. Their concepts of intricate and ancient conspiracies are self-perpetuating and resistant to question. I don't think money or book sales are paramount to either of them. They live in a world populated by secret Governments, alien occupation, mind control and a lack of free will. I think it's a sad comment on world affairs that this alternative reality has gained the currency it has.

(I left out Sitchin because he's nowhere near as slippery as Icke/Lear)



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by Barla Von
John is a very rare exception in the conspiracy world. He is one of the few researchers who isn't trying to sell you his books (In fact he doesn't have any). Its refreshing to say the least


Perhaps he doesn't need to sell any books because he already receives a paycheck just for telling his stories




To be fair everything he says could be complete bunk but at least its free bunk


It may be free, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have consequences. I believe his tales have successfully helped muddy the waters.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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I think it would be dangerous to give any group or anyone a monopoly on what I feel is the truth or "who knows best" multiple sources is always better.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 04:05 PM
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"Truth Is Stranger Than Fiction" as they say, I have also heard that Sitchin is a purposeful disinformant for the elite, and as far as John Lear, I love him to death, he's pretty cool, then the other night I heard him on Kevin Smith and he flip-flopped on some things I trusted him on. He was saying that there is a 7 mile high building on the moon that captures souls as we die, and that ufos are mostly ours (in which I agree), and just all kinds of things that didn't coincide with his project camelot interviews. It was just weird, like he was being coerced. And as far as Icke, you just have to use the common sense of yourself, and take with it all the other information we have all investigated and go with your gut, but know that "knowledge is power" but don't fall for everything. Look within yourself for the answers, and what feels right to you.

And I do like Alan Watt, he is more down to earth, and I feel, tells more of the truth. Here is another website you all may like, he has an excellent video called "The Big Picture Final Cut", he also does radio interviews. He tells it like it is, it is worth the listen and fighting the NWO.

www.thecrowhouse.com...

Now, Jordan Maxwell, I don't know what to think of him, he has done some excellent work, but right now, I think he is being messed with, unbeknownst to him, after I listened to him on the Alex Jones video.

Anyway, there's my take.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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The thing the people you mention have in common is that they all thrive on attention.

Sad bunch who's messages are wasted on the masses because of their extreme theories based on little or no evidence.

Mr Icke is not the dumbest man around....until he talks about reptilians!

Why can't he understand that himself and his messages would be taken more seriously if he didn't presume that what he says is fact. His statements about reptilians in the royal family are just pathetic if no evidence is provided.

John Lear was a character too. I enjoyed many discussions here on ATS with him, but not once did I believe any of his theories. A very sad and lonely man imo.

I would never buy any book from these people and stopped listening to John Lear's interviews ages ago.....not to be taken seriously.

Dear OP...you won't find anyone here who could provide evidence of their contact with aliens but plenty who will say they've had it......good luck and keep an open mind.



posted on Jan, 31 2009 @ 07:48 PM
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i hear yah,,
when i first got fast internet and could really explore,,,,i watched all the same video's and a bunch more of supposed insiders who know the truth or worked here or there.

i watched dr. deagles granada speech
i was astounded
i thought this guy is smart as hell,,, and seems to have the credentials to back it up

come to find out he's had his license revoked and a bunch of other legal trouble,, and hi-tailed it to canada to hide or escape

and i wonder too,,,,either these guys are telling the truth or really phsychotic compulsive liars

who bothers to memorize 2 to 3 hours of bs to spout off to be called crazy or nuts by mainstream society

so,,,even after hours of video watching and thread searching here,,,, i don't think i know more or am closer to the truth than the day b4 i started

granted i've read a lot of info,, supposed facts and theories,,, but like you said,, who can be trusted,,, because it's all hearsay as almost none have actual proof of anything

and even if they have documents ,,,there is much info out there saying their hoax, frauds or fakes

welcome to the journey ehh????
good luck


ps mayb e no closer to aliens/ufo truth, but i've learned a lot from ats in other areas

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posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 02:51 PM
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You brought up a great point, my friend!

Here is an essay by UFOWatchdog.com:

www.ufowatchdog.com...

It does a fine job of telling about the money made at these convention events. They have learned a lot from comic book and sci-fi conventions.



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by bwinwright
I would appreciate some input from anyone on this subject. I am happy to look them up, read their stuff, or watch a video if there is one available.


Try NASSIM HARAMEIN

I hear he is the latest ticket with all the answers and a big hit with the ladies



posted on Feb, 1 2009 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by thegreatobserver

So, other "messengers" like John Lear who quote and take information from Sitchin are equally misleading. Intentional or not.


Speaking about misleading... that would be YOU John has never quoted nor taken information from Sitchin and does not buy into the whole Nibiru mess

I just love how so many here who have never spoken directly to anyone they 'dismiss' as bunk make such statements as if they know something...

yet they all come here to listen to that 'bunk' and give their expert opinion on it


Silly Lemmings



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by bwinwright
I would appreciate some input from anyone on this subject. I am happy to look them up, read their stuff, or watch a video if there is one available.


Try NASSIM HARAMEIN

I hear he is the latest ticket with all the answers and a big hit with the ladies


All answers are a lot of answers hehe

But he defenitaly knows his stuff. And I like it a lot



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 03:22 PM
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My friend, you answered your original question with your closing one.
You can find answers and theories to all kinds of questions, often backed up with sources. People taken the time to research topics and provide good arguement for their thoughts and findings. My advice, listen to the members, they not only provide a good source of information but also inspiration.



posted on Feb, 2 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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I didn't say that I'm an expert or that I'm right. Just stated my personal opinion.
What I have realized after my posting is that I mixed up John Lear with Bob Dean. My apologies for that.




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