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I don't need someone to sell me the truth like Ron Paul. I think he's in the know like he rest of them.
Obama is just another liberal with a vision. If you think for some reason that Obama is different from liberals then you're mistaken. I'm liberal leaning, but, I have mostly independent values from both my party and the other party, but, as a slightly liberal person, I can see NO reason to think that Obama is different from other liberals, other than the fact that he is strong with his beliefs.
I'm just worried at people who just because someone in the media says something that disagrees with the establishment worship that person.
I believe he is someone with a vision. The only reason he seems to all of you like he's a religious figure of some sort is because he just looks immensely better than Bush.
He's not Bush, so, automatically people love him.
Am I wrong for worrying about the cult of personality developing around Ron Paul and these other types? It just scares me.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by badmedia
Look, I don't worship Obama.
I am supporting him because he is our President and no other reason. Not because of his race or anything like that.
So, I don't see how my reason for supporting him for being President of the USA is worshipping him like I said in the Ron Paul example.
I don't consider him the messiah.
I also disagree with a few decisions he's made already. I don't think he's perfect.
I don't see how what I said contradicts with what I believe in.
I'm only saying it's foolish to believe he's the antichrist or the messiah. I'm worried about the people that worship him or fear him when he's only been in office for a week or so.
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by badmedia
Let me repeat what I said in a better way.
Obama is NEITHER the messiah NOR the antichrist.
You just basically agreed with me in that what I was saying when I said that Obama is only seeming to be either the messiah or the antichrist because of the tough times we're in.
And no, I'm not a Republican, I'm actually a Democrat. I didn't say that Obama was the antichrist. I said that he wasn't in my thread title.
What I am scared about is the people that think he is either the antichrist or the messiah.
I guess you do not even realize that the lines you say now in support of Obama are the exact same lines and words the republicans used for the past 8 years? You do not see your own biases and hypocrisy? Of course it must be different right, they are republican and you are democrat right?
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
No, I am not using myself as an example of one who doesn't worship Obama.
Wouldn't you just agree with what I said in that Obama isn't the messiah nor is he the anti christ and leave it at that?
In the Ron Paul thread I was talking about the movement behind Ron Paul and how lots of people (many on ATS) seem to go to him whenever he has a new idea. The Obama movement is no different from the Ron Paul movement.
I never called Bush the antichrist, so, I don't fall under that realm of hypocrisy that you are suggesting. I also never thought he was the antichrist to begin with. I'm not so sure I understand what you're getting at. I rarely use this kind of language and I usually avoid discussion of this type. I am just dispelling a popular myth surrounding Obama.
I used to be a Obama fanboy. I was so thrilled with him. I was like, finally some politician is telling the TRUTH! I was interested in what he said and the like but now as I've come to see it I tend to now disagree with him on a few issues. First of all, I want to point out the cult of personality around Obama. I subscribe to the newsletter from www.Obama.com. I still like what he has to say.
But, I get weary about these people. He talks about how the economy has problems and just because we're in a crisis he says we should change it and automatically people are like on the net "OMG OBAMA SAYS WE SHOULD DO IT WE MUST ABOLISH IT! OBAMA SPEAKS TEH TRUTH".
Obama is somewhat liberal. I understand he has less faith in political principles like the constitution gives us. I however, do not think we should abolish it-- rather I believe we should remove the system that doesn't belong and put it under more constitutional authority from citizens- not government- but regular people who would be able to assess the politicians to tell what it's going to be like on any particular bill.
[gonna skip over a few paragraphs here as they would be like the above, slight change of issue.]
However, I think what he says is rational, and, I agree with him on a couple issues. But, I have to question all of these Obama bots, and these other people that worship these people in politics that speak the truth. I stopped being a Obama bot after I did reading about political ideology and politics in general and about politics and then-- I basically found out my views and my own truth. I am more Conservative now than I used to be. But, I know the truth as it is to me.
I don't need someone to sell me the truth like Obama. I think he's in the know like he rest of them.
I'm really worried about these Obama fanatics as much as I am worried about these Ron Paul Conservatives.
Look, I consider myself a conservative, anti-war, pro constitution Republican, I don't bow down to any elite, just because they speak a particular truth.
I'm just worried at people who just because someone in the media says something that disagrees with the establishment worship that person.
Am I wrong for worrying about the cult of personality developing around Obama and these other types? It just scares me.