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Originally posted by anathema777
Perhaps they can't come right out and give full disclosure about the Aliens because its so terrifying that 90%+ of humanity would lose all hope in life and give up and wait to die, end of faith and all hope. This happens because it is disclosed that there is no GOD, we we're created in a galactic petri dish by aliens that are not interested in any benevolent Star Trek'esk intentions of watch us evolve and then helping us once we reach the precipice of our own destruction and a certain level of scientific achievement.
Yes I believe that advanced intelligent life other than our own exists. The logic and math of it is just simply inescapable. But, while I don't believe this is the case, let's just presume for the sake of argument here that there actually has not been any contact by others in our greater environment with any humans here on Earth. If so, they may be a number of reasons and not all having to do with us. Still we might consider that it may be because we are regarded as too juvenile and immature as we Earth humans tend to think of those terms and especially in relation to the possibly more advanced and sophisticated social development level of other older races that we may eventually have to deal with. In other words, some truth here about ourselves could be a bit painful.
After all, we are too often a collection of myopically self focussed Earth civilizations and we've spent thousands of years habituated to believe that we are alone in this environment. Also, we are apparently also habituated to the believe that we are the top species in our environment. We've also over and over again historically shown ourselves too often to be intolerant and dismissive of differences in others right down to the most ridiculously small cosmetic shallow details. Worse, that's how we act just among ourselves and one can only imagine how we might react to real significant differences in really different others. Let's face it, too many of us apparently were not listening when prophets among us have down through time tried to teach us to exercise more tolerance.
The excuse for public consumption would no doubt be that secrecy was for our own good and to prevent contagious panic but the deeper underlying reason would more than likely be that leaders were simply stalling trying to see and manipulate their way through to an advantage with alien technology being the likely goal in this particular scenario.
There would no doubt quickly be an open military and/or intelligence response intended to prevent and/or contain such an event and any effected by it as though it was a contagion. Leaders never trust populations with large scale impact knowledge because it rarely means anything beneficial or profitable for them personally. In other words, it is too often our myopic self interest that rules us.
Such a scenario in the absence of overwhelming proof of it is so far beyond the "perceived" norm that disbelief is of course going to be the usual response and now regarded as normal. Further, population psychology is also heavily manipulated in this direction both by secrecy intent but also by population self acceptance. Do any of you doubt that any attempt to bring any acceptable level of proof into a public alien contact scenario would not bring on the immediate action and full immense resources of the control addicts into play trying to contain and isolate the "problem?" Obviously any responsible alien interests considering contact with Earth planet wide populations would be well aware of this and have to act accordingly and with careful restraint.
Their great fear is not aliens demonstrating obvious restraint in dealing with we Earth humans but the public here becoming too knowledgeable of this and then in turn of their great long standing deceptions. The latter gives the former a negative quality that could potentially spark a reactive flame of blame and a heads rolling scenario playing out here on Earth. At this stage, I have no doubt that it is the fear and avoidance of this scenario's potential that is the primary impetus for continued secrecy, not any alien evidence itself.
Yes, the secrecy agenda has aggressively initiated and reinforced the current ridiculous planetary secrecy problem but we have all out here in the public facilitated it by our past abdication of involvement and responsibility in our own space exploration programs. We of course left it all up to the "experts" which is just another more palatable way of saying we didn't want to deal with such complexity ourselves and tax our poor brains. As a result, ignorance and myopic obsessiveness reigns supreme on both sides of an ever widening schism because we as a people on both sides are stuck on avoidance, gratification and power that corrupts depending or where you are located in this matter.
What must be understood is that change and a new age for Earth humanity is irrevocably and relentlessly approaching. It takes no seer or prophet to see this, only an open mind and a little common sense logic and reason. It is driven not by this work but rather this work is driven by it. At its cutting edge it is driven by the aggressive grasping for answers and advanced technology primarily at the secrecy agenda end that relentless draws us all faster and faster into interaction with the greater more complex environment that we seem by our actions to prefer to remain ignorant of. The secrecy types are thoroughly addicted to this grasping and so there is not the slightest chance that this it will voluntarily abate and so the advancement of and what comes is relentless and unavoidable for us all.
To adequately adjust to and operate in this new (to us) greater and more complex environment will require the abandonment of some of our past reliance on pretense and essentially a new Earth human paradigm shift. Adjustment will require the closing of this fore mentioned schism primarily via the elimination of ignorance and pretense on both sides and the revealing of some hard truths. However, change happens at different speeds for different people. For the general public this happens via gradually growing awareness of greater truths perhaps not previously thought possible and coming to grips with our far too passive and responsible role in this. For the myopically self focussed secrecy types this happens via gradual realization that their current path of manipulation and isolation is seriously flawed and not conducive to their own long term meaningful survival.
Because they congratulate themselves on being in the "know" and so easily manipulating you and I with our cooperation as not nearly so bright types, they've long ago come to believe their own press (much like rock stars) and have convinced themselves that they have a good handle on things. Consequently it is much harder for them to see the error of their ways and the trap that they have dug for themselves and make a turn around. Such early adjustments are conducive to future adaptability.
As a group they are far to addicted to their past historical ways to voluntarily alter course within their ranks. That is where this evidence record and its impact comes into the picture. Yes the growing evidence certainly spreads growing awareness among the public and particularly among the more independent thinkers out here.
Originally posted by anathema777
Hers one to get you all going in the right direction or thought at least.
Perhaps they can't come right out and give full disclosure about the Aliens because its so terrifying that 90%+ of humanity would lose all hope in life and give up and wait to die, end of faith and all hope. This happens because it is disclosed that there is no GOD, we we're created in a galactic petri dish by aliens that are not interested in any benevolent Star Trek'esk intentions of watch us evolve and then helping us once we reach the precipice of our own destruction and a certain level of scientific achievement. Perhaps it is revealed that we are a very closely monitored alien experiment and after a while they just hit the reset button, alter all of our DNA, effectively creating the next generation of humans and study them until they have learned whatever, rinse and repeat.
Originally posted by converge
Originally posted by anathema777
Perhaps they can't come right out and give full disclosure about the Aliens because its so terrifying that 90%+ of humanity would lose all hope in life and give up and wait to die, end of faith and all hope. This happens because it is disclosed that there is no GOD, we we're created in a galactic petri dish by aliens that are not interested in any benevolent Star Trek'esk intentions of watch us evolve and then helping us once we reach the precipice of our own destruction and a certain level of scientific achievement.
Even assuming for a moment that aliens had 'created' us, that doesn't mean there is no god, does it? I don't believe in god but I don't think one thing negates the other.
We are currently doing a lot of genetic experimentation and we've been already able to clone animals, I'm sure it would be just a matter of time before we create life in a lab. Would that mean there was no god?
Assuming aliens are highly advanced beings capable of traveling the Universe rapidly, doesn't mean they know more about god than we do.
[edit on 30-1-2009 by converge]
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by GENERAL EYES
Great post! This is why I think any visitors to Earth are slowly getting the population used to the idea that they are here.
I think this will increase until we all know there are, without a doubt, other entities visiting our planet.
We're already at the point where governments are openly stating that "they do not know what *insert UFO tale here* was" rather than the blanket denials and excuses offered before.
More evidence is being released, or being allowed to be released into the public domain.
Personally, I think we'll continue to see an increase in sightings. They'll become more daring and closer. The only step further from this is actual encounters and evidence of alien appearance.
I think that'll happen once a high percentage of Humans accept that there are other beings visiting Earth.
I think if the governments are aware, they'll start commissioning open research into alien life forms, get us used to seeing what they look like prior to them landing for all to see.
I have no doubt that it will happen one day, but I don't know if it'll be in the next 50 years. I guess it all depends on when the majority of us Humans accept the evidence that we are being visited.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
Interesting thread.
Personally, I am more suspicious of government and expect them to retain their knowledge of alien existence for their own needs and gains.
I don't think it has anything to do with fearing what the reaction would be to releasing such information, beyond the unknown of course.
They fear losing control of the people, they fear an enemy gaining information that perhaps only they hold, they fear a breakdown in religious values because it is an easy game for them to play to keep control.
If you haven't done so, I suggest listening to the concept album by Nine Inch Nails - Year Zero.
It is basically all about an alien race arriving, disapproving of how we've messed everything up, and deciding to wipe us from the Earth. You have the religious side also believing it's god come to punish us etc...
At least that's what I take from it.
"What could be so Dark, so Humanly Devastating, that would cause the Government or those in the KNOW to with hold the Truth"
Originally posted by senshido
"What could be so Dark, so Humanly Devastating, that would cause the Government or those in the KNOW to with hold the Truth"
If you meant US government....Here are the reasons why such knowledge would be withheld..
1). "Aliens told us, God is a Muslim"
2). "Yeah. We lied. And as you see we're pretty darn good at it!"
3). "Aliens told us, Jesus was an Alien."
4). "Your government had a two-way deal with EBE's but because we did not uphold our end of the bargain, EBE's withdrew cooperation and exchange in 1965.."
5). Lawsuits. Big ones.