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reply posted on 30-1-2009 @ 08:46 PM by Walkswithfish
reply to post by Djarums



Wrongs today should not overshadow the wrongs of the past, canceling this event should not concern anyone nearly as much as the growing effort to completely rewrite the history of the holocaust. At the end of the day, there are many would would like to erase the history of the Holocaust completely and little by little that history is changing, perhaps one day the holocaust will be reduced to nothing more than a rumor, or myth and Israel as it exists today destroyed completely while the world cheers and rejoices, proclaiming that "they had it coming"

Ignorance rules!


reply posted on 30-1-2009 @ 11:20 PM by Razimus
reply to post by masonwatcher



The palestinians shoot rockets into Israel for 2 years and nobody says anything...

The jews finally fire rockets at the palestinians in the exact location the rockets were coming from in retaliation for the 2 years of rockets having been fired on them and everyone says the jews are the devil.

The palestinians weren't the devil when they were firing rockets for 2 years?

It's called a double standard.

It's called hypocrisy.

For those that can't see this double standard, you are blind and probably believe every lie the world has ever told you.


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 12:05 AM by thedeadtruth
reply to post by Razimus




Simple question... How many Israeli citizens were killed in those 2 years by the rockets ?

The Holocaust is about remembering the real deaths of 6 million people. Not getting them upset or frightened them. Actually killed !!!!

If this concept is a bit complicated for you , get a grown up to explain it and get back to us.


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 12:06 AM by Majorion
reply to post by Razimus


Originally posted by Razimus
For those that can't see this double standard, you are blind and probably believe every lie the world has ever told you.


Really? .. perhaps some people should take a look in the mirror, then carefully research the issue.


The jews finally fire rockets at the palestinians in the exact location the rockets were coming from


I'd like to see some supporting data on this claim; if you don't mind. Quite the opposite, the homegrown near ineffective crude weaponry is a response to the assassination program. A reasonable response to bandit state murder. No, they don't fire rockets on the alleged "exact same location".. which media outlet you getting your so called information from?


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 12:11 AM by thedeadtruth
reply to post by Majorion




The same Media outlet that supports the outright stealing of land and the murder of any opposition.

Because God gave it to me. Dont you know ANYTHING


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 03:09 AM by Obliterated
Originally posted by Razimus
reply to
post by masonwatcher



The palestinians shoot rockets into Israel for 2 years and nobody says anything


Israel uses bulldozers, tanks, air raids, chemical weapons, machine guns, missiles...etc. For over 60 years

For those that can't see this double standard, you are blind and probably believe every lie the world has ever told you.


I'll show you something about double standards and lies and being blind...

This is Children... Under 18

Year....... Israeli Deaths....... Palestinian Deaths
2000 ................ 0 ..................... 91
2001 ................ 36 ................... 103
2002 ................. 45 ................... 201
2003 .................. 21..................... 141
2004 .................. 8 ..................... 188
2005 .................. 6 .................... 56
2006 .................. 2 ..................... 139
2007................... 1 .................... 59
2008 ................ 4 .................... 72 <--- This doesn't include the Dec/Jan Conflict

Total Israel = 123
Total Palestine = 1,050

www.rememberthesechildren.org...

Now, why do you think "nobody says anything"?

[edit on 31-1-2009 by Obliterated]


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 05:45 AM by bloodcircle
reply to post by masonwatcher




You just THRIVE on the hate of others, don't you?

If not stirring it, just washing yourself in it.

My god...


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 05:57 AM by Majorion
reply to post by bloodcircle


Originally posted by bloodcircle
reply to post by masonwatcher


You just THRIVE on the hate of others, don't you?


It seems there is yet another person who is unaccustomed to criticism of Israel and the zionists.

Well get used to it, the world are starting to open their eyes and wake up, now that most people get their news from the internet; and subsequently quit relying on media outlets' blabber and propaganda.

I've never found masonwatcher to be a hateful person of any kind, he simply presents the other view of this situation. The one that usually goes unnoticed.

Try staying on-topic; instead of the obvious tactic of diversion and attempting to personally discredit someone.

[edit on 31/1/09 by Majorion]



reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 07:34 AM by Obliterated
Ok Back to the topic.....

"To compare the Holocaust with Gaza is like comparing apples with pears," said Inga-Lill Sundström, one the organizers of the ceremony


This is from the Jerusalem Post relating to the topic
www.jpost.com...

Apples and Pears are fairly similar. They both grow on trees, they have a core, have a similar colour and structure. However, there is some difference in the texture, shape and taste.

So i think that is what Inga-Lill is saying is...

The Holocaust and Gaza are fairly similar. They both displayed genocide, the core of the issue is the same (iNazi's wanted Jews dead. Jews want Palestinians dead). The people have a similar skin colour and the same physical structure. However, there is some difference is methods used (gas chamber/white phosphorus), the type of equipment (guns/tanks) and the reason for it (anti-communism/pro-occupation).


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 08:21 AM by masonwatcher
reply to post by neformore





Rubbish. The 6 million dead most certainly were not all jews. You project that to be the case because it suits your argument and shows off your underlying bias against jewish people. You are blaming all jewish people for the actions of the Israeli government.


If you say that 6 million Jews did not die in the Holocaust, that makes you a historical revisionist and a Holocaust denier. Please rethink your information.


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 11:05 AM by neformore
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Originally posted by masonwatcher
If you say that 6 million Jews did not die in the Holocaust, that makes you a historical revisionist and a Holocaust denier. Please rethink your information.


What I said was - in plain writing which is still there for everyone to see - this



The 6 million dead most certainly were not all jews


I didn't say that jews did not die. Nor do I dispute that the Holocaust happened. Your insidious attempt at trying to twist the subject round on me will not work, because my writings on the Holocaust, how it occurred, why it occurred and the machinations of the Nazi machine that carried it out stand for all to see on ATS.

You've obviously not read many of my posts on ATS, have you? Had you done so you would realise that I despise the actions of the current Israeli administration in Gaza. I truly believe that what they have done in recent months is despicable. I have said so on many occasions on this forum,

That having been said, I believe that everyone, no matter what race, religion or creed they claim to be is - ultimately - human. I also believe that minorities carry out violence and the masses suffer for it. That is the case in Israel, and Palestine.

Anyone who blames every person of a religion for crimes carried out in its name is, bluntly, a fool who invites people on the opposite side of their particular belief system to see things exactly the same way. In short, by advocating that line of thinking you invite your own annihilation.

Your action in what you've just tried to do in that post paints your agenda here very very clearly. And by that I mean that you will stoop to any level whatsoever to paint your propaganda.

Thats called trolling.

ATS is a home for intelligent debate. Please come back to me for a proper discussion of the issues when you've figured out the difference between the two.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 11:15 AM by masonwatcher
reply to post by neformore



You said 6 million people died of whom Jews were a portion and the rest being Russian, pows, Romanies, homosexuals, the disabled, dissidents, etc.

That is not orthodoxy. 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. I merely asked you to check your facts.

I meant no offence and apologies if you took offence.

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reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 12:42 PM by RogerT
reply to post by neformore



Normally your posts are very astute and level headed. Not sure what is happening here but I think you have misread, misunderstood and/or misrepresented the comments of MasonWatcher.


Regarding the holocaust comments ...

You are clearly well read and well educated on many matters of current affairs and history, hence your comment that 6 million died of which a portion were Jews.

However, that is not the way the holocaust is 'broadcast' or 'understood' by Joe Public, who are more likely to think of the holocaust as the extermination of 6 million jews in the nazi camps.

I'm no expert on the history, but I've seen posters here on ATS labelled as holocaust deniers if they affirm that less than 6 million jews died.

So whether the facts support it or not, holocaust = dead jews to most people.


reply posted on 31-1-2009 @ 01:58 PM by masonwatcher
reply to post by RogerT



Thanks for you kind words RogerT.

I know there are more accurate and accepted figures of the numbers killed in the Holocaust. I take the view that if only one Jew was killed because of their religion by the Nazis, it is one too many.

There are Holocaust deniers who also come out with varying numbers. Engaging a discourse on this matter is unappetising for me. It is like haggling over dead bodies so I accept any figure officially sanctioned and it is around 6 million Jewish victims. Incidentally deviating from orthodoxy in some parts of Europe will have you thrown into jail even if you committed the crime outside their jurisdiction.

I think the most important issue is reclaiming the Holocaust for humanity to remember and really take on board the idea of 'never again'. There should never be another Rwanda, Cambodia, and another Gaza siege. There should never be another state sanctioned collective punishment and the slaughter of the innocents. The people who died in the Holocaust were not Israelis but people from other nations who happened to be Jewish. Israel cheapens the Holocaust.
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