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Did hallucinogens facilitate Joseph Smith's visions & those of early Mormon converts? In his 1975 book, Hearts Made Glad, Lamar Petersen carefully documented the use of intoxicants by Joseph Smith and early converts to the LDS Church. While mostly interested in the consumption of various fermented and distilled alcohols, Petersen also noted strange behaviors associated with the sacramental use of what seemed to outside observers to be medicated wine.
It appears that soon after the Church was organized in New York and later in Ohio, members partook of wine in sacrament meetings which occasioned visionary states and strange behaviors not typically associated with alcohol consumption or intoxication. It is my thesis that beginning at a young age, Joseph Smith experimented with psychedelic plants and that many of Joseph Smith revelations and much of his behavior can be attributed to the use of psychedelics.
Following Joseph Smiths death, the pragmatic Brigham Young had no interest in psychedelic material, or was unaware of its use, and hence it did not become a part of Utah Mormonism. However, James Strang and Fredrick M. Smith (Joseph Smith's grandson and president of the RLDS Church) perpetuated the use of psychedelics in their branches of Joseph Smith's original movement. The use of psychedelics by the Strangites and the RLDS Church could not be sustained.
According to the official web site of the LDS Church, in the spring of 1820, Joseph Smith offered a simple prayer that set into motion a series of events leading to the restoration of the true Church and the truth about life’s greatest questions.1 But for many early LDS coverts, learning about truth was a second rank endeavor. Instead, seeking for a personal visionary experience was primary.
According to LDS scholar, Richard Bushman, early Mormon converts were “seekers” whose … greatest hunger was for spiritual gifts like dreams, visions, tongues, miracles, and spiritual raptures.
These early Church members sought direct experience with God and believed that Joseph Smith had the power to grant their desires. Confidence in their Prophet was not misplaced. Between 1829 and 1836, under the supervision of Joseph Smith, many early Mormon converts enjoyed heavenly visions and spiritual raptures.
While the nature of these visions are a matter of debate, there is no doubt as to the amazing number of visions experienced by Joseph Smith and early converts during these seven years. However, after Joseph’s death in 1844, the great visionary period of Church history came to an end.3 The only vision recorded in Church of Jesus Christ of LDS scripture (D&C 138 )is that of Joseph F. Smith dated October 3, 1918.
Since 1918, there has be no visionary expereince recorded by any of the subsequent presidents of the LDS Church. Interestingly, the vast majority of Mormons living today believe that Joseph Smith-like visionary and revelatory experience continues amongst the living "General Authorities" of the Church, but in secret. However, an Apostle of the LDS Church admitted in 1985 that he had never had such an experience and he was unaware of anyone living who had. (Inperson interview of and LDS Church Apostle by the author)
So stark was the dearth of visionary experience that in 1864, twenty years after Joseph Smith's death, members would ask Mormon Apostle George A. Smith, ... why it is that we do not see more angels, have more visions, that we do not see greater and more manifestations of power?
Originally posted by Res Ipsa
Religion is a lie?
too broad, so untrue.
If you define "religion" than it can be supported or debated.
If you take the approach that it is either "all true" or "all false" then you shouldn't even bother asking.
If the topic is of interest than there is more than you can handle out there to sift through.
I would arm yourself with this...."do on to others as you would have done onto you" take that with you and you will be able to breeze through much of the man made obfuscations of religion.
Find the religion that adheres to that the most and you have a good one to be a part of....because a good religion promotes community and is supportive and is an emotional safe place.
I personally am not hip to a "religion" I like the Lutherans and am comfortable in the Catholic church but I hitch my wagon to the teachings of Jesus and no religion seems to be interested in doing that without adding their twist to it. Love not hate....that simple.
A set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Also upon reading another interesting book titled "Magic Mushrooms In Religion And Alchemy"
In the summer of 1798, Isaac Hale was one of the viewers of the first roads laid out in Willingborough. He was a great hunter, and made his living principally by procuring game. His sons, also, were hunters. His wife was for fifty years a consistent member of the Methodist church. A lady now living at Lanesboro, who knew her well, says: "I never visited her but I thought I had learned something useful." Her death ocurred in 1842, in her seventy-fifth year. Their daughter, Emma, was intelligent, and, that she should marry Joseph Smith, Jr., the Mormon leader, can only be accounted for by supposing "he bewitched her," as he afterwards bewitched the masses.
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Originally posted by Razimus
reply to post by N3krostatic
I have researched Mormon history and from what I've read they have a strict "word of wisdom" which states basically no illegal or harmful drugs, I seriously doubt any leaders of that church took drugs, the fact that modern day leaders haven't seen angels and whatnot doesn't mean it never happened a hundred plus years ago, maybe it means they are lacking in faith, maybe it means they don't need to see angles.
I personally never ask God for a sign, I never ask to see angles, I don't need to or want to see them until it's time after I die. Sometimes people get hung up on the little stuff that doesn't matter, seeing visions doesn't matter, you can believe in Jesus with no vision except a vision in the heart, a vision of faith, seeing is not believing.
Originally posted by another_lurker
In the summer of 1798, Isaac Hale was one of the viewers of the first roads laid out in Willingborough. He was a great hunter, and made his living principally by procuring game. His sons, also, were hunters. His wife was for fifty years a consistent member of the Methodist church. A lady now living at Lanesboro, who knew her well, says: "I never visited her but I thought I had learned something useful." Her death ocurred in 1842, in her seventy-fifth year. Their daughter, Emma, was intelligent, and, that she should marry Joseph Smith, Jr., the Mormon leader, can only be accounted for by supposing "he bewitched her," as he afterwards bewitched the masses.
You are using false logic in your interpretation of this. English and in particular American English is a living changing language. "He bewitched her" is the same as saying Smith was charismatic as are most cult founders and leaders. To connect that to drugs is a mighty long stretch.