Turkish Prime Minister Leaves Economic Forum over Arguement with Israeli President about Gaza

Turkey

news.bbc.co.uk

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has stormed off the stage at the World Economic Forum in Davos after an argument with Israel's president.

Mr Erdogan clashed with Shimon Peres in a discussion on the recent fighting in the Gaza Strip, telling him: "You are killing people."

Mr Peres said Mr Erdogan would have done the same had rockets hit Istanbul.

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There is an included video of what happened on the article's webpage (even though it's the MSM), although I will try to find a longer version on YouTube. All I can say about this is kudos to Turkey for having the backbone to stand up to the Israeli President on such a public forum.

I applaud the Turkish Prime Minister for saying what he (and many others) believe about the war crimes committed in Gaza, right to the Israeli President's face.

I wish my Prime Minister would do the same.

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I'm surprised this is only now getting attention.
The Turkish PM has been given a Heroes Welcome on his return home.

And so he should.

He is the ONLY global leader who has dared to act truthfully and appropriately in the face of Israels shameful arrogance and hatred.

While every other leader remains silent as the Israeli leadership spouts the same BS propaganda lines over and over, this man has dared to show that this is NOT acceptable.

I've watched the news of this, and it made me happy that at least one leader has some balls, I just wish other leaders would do the same.

Much respect to Turkey, maybe this will make other 'so called' global leaders sit up and take notice.

Would have, they DO do the same. lets see Turkeys record on dealing with Kurds.

Turkish warplanes attacked Kurdish rebels in Iraq on Tuesday, killing a group of guerrillas gathered at a mountain cave, the military said. In a statement, the military said warplanes attacked suspected rebel targets in a region in northern Iraq where the leadership of the rebel Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or P.K.K., is based

NY Times
(July 30,2008)

TURKISH troops have killed at least 79 Kurdish militants and destroyed their hide-outs in northern Iraq, as Iraq's Foreign Minister warned that the three-day-old offensive risked destabilising the region.

The Age
(Febuary 25, 2008)

The Turkish parliament yesterday gave its government the green light for cross-border attacks into Iraq to destroy Kurdish rebel bases, defying US calls for restraint.
The prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, quickly pointed out that the vote did not signify an operation was imminent. But it does represent a blank cheque for military action at any time within the next year. The authorisation was passed by 507 votes to 19, with only a small Kurdish party opposing it.

Guardian
(Oct 18, 2007)

You would be shocked if you saw how many times they have bombed/shelled the Kurds. (google it yourself, it is surprisingly large)

NO, the representitive from Turkey has "NO!!" more grounds to stand up and complain when he and his country does the same and more.

What’s in a name? The line between “terrorist” and “state terror” blurs with over 30,000 Kurds killed by the Turkish army.[ex/]
Adbusters

reply to post by matth


as i said in my topic on this in the middle east forum
is it surprising anyone that speaks out against Israel civilian or not are always silenced.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


You have no idea what you are talking about!

It is not kurds, it is t PKK a terrorist group and not guirella!! They kill kurds turks armenian... everyone... Suicide bombs, attack on civilians and more...

But turkish army attacks to individuals and not a full kurdish population. it sounds like you are one of PKK militan! I have many kurdish friends and families around and none of which shares the same feeling as you point of from your so called sources who are trying to provakate the situation!

Also before you begin, let me explain to your what Kurdish and Armenian Genocide problems are:

Kurdish problem is nothing but a planned chaos in near petrolleum areas of turkey! Look at Iraq now and see the so called kurds are given the control of petrolleum areas as well...

Why? so called kurds (not the real ones, because real kurds dont share terrorist activity) are not educated and easy to control and be manipulated! You can call sheep and shephard example you will unerstand why...

I can talk about it longer but it depends on what kind of glasses you are reading this article, Horse Glasses ( google horse glass you will understand what i mean) or Real Reading Glasses...

Armenian problem was not a genocide or planned killing. Armenians as well as these PKK terrorists, were in fact sharing same scenerio. Provacation and Sheep and Steer!

Armenians same as greeks were used against turkish during real war times of 1ww. Armenians in real started mess killing of their neighbours. You would not understand it anyway. But let me tell you, turks greeks armenians were living together in peace for over 600+ years. And they were still greeks and armenians, no force no assimulation unlike so called developed countries did and still doing!!

Armenians, over night turned against turks, and started mass killing, and government sent armed forces to relocate them before everything went out of control. There were nearly 1 million armenians being relocated. But during harsh winter and mountain condititions coupled with war and lack of food and shelters, ignited some deseases and starvation on the way, and estimated 40-50 thousand armenian and half that much turkish armed forces died!!!! Not the 1 million armenians as claimed! Total BS. because if you do the math, armenians either should have been extinct or from 1-2 thousand left, giving birth rate of 100s each person to come to their current population. either way claims and way of tone is BS, only to create more BS and more claims...

You my friend, either a militan, or a stupid idiot... Because i beleive you are looking at things with horse glasses...

Turkish have been into all over Europe for over 600+ years, and Europe stayed as europe no one changed their language, no building being destriyed, no religion enforced, everything same. Even after 600+ years... Look at modern era, look at so called developed countries, they invade one country and change it by force in over a decade or two, deny it....

Couple more examples of history:

Turks saved Jews from dark ages of europe when they were kicked out. Ottoman Empire sent ships to rescue most if not all jews from europeans.

Turks sent Ireland tons of money and food during hard times of 19 century, even though turned down by Queen, they still sent help secretly...

Cheers

No surprise here. The Turks are so busy wiping out Kurds by the hundreds and thousands, yet it still sticks in their craw that Muslims are being killed by Jews.

Regardless the justification.

Walking out of a negotiations meeting is sure one heck of a way to make progress

Do as we say...not as we do.

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Turkey is not attacking and killing civilians. Turkey is not keeping the kurdish region under siege so that all Kurdish people starve. Turkey is not using weapons of terrorism against the Kurds.... You get what I mean I hoping.

Turkey certainly is killing Kurds, and you're absolutely correct, they have not put the Kurds under seige. They're just bombing them.

Oops!

Israel didn't put Gaza under seige either, they were just bombing Hamas.

Big difference.

Not!

It's definately the case of someone in a glass house throwing stones but I also believe two wrongs don't make a right and what the Turks did to the Kurds doesn't make Israeli governments action towards Palestine beyond criticism. That said, I don't believe economics and politics should mix too much. The economic situation is bad and if we can't be united on anything else we should be united trying to fix the global economy. Of course if the gobal economic ties weren't so binding many nations would not find themselves in the trouble they are now in but that's an issue for another day.

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... [Erdogan did] the same.

Turkish warplanes attacked Kurdish rebels in Iraq on Tuesday, killing a group of guerrillas gathered at a mountain cave, the military said.

With all due respect, I'd like to suggest killing some rebel troops hiding inside a mountain cave is quite a bit different than burning alive dozens of civilian men, women and children with white phosphorus !

Erdogan will probably live to regret his action today, and I am not a big fan of his, but I start to like him a little more today !

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But was there any word on stupid HAMAS who actually triggered all this!! Who will not reply if rockets are thrown into his country?

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hard to make progress when only one side is allowed to put forward its views while the other side is kept silent or cut off when they go into an area the hosts dont like

Turkey's loss; they won't be represented at the most important world economic event of the year.

And all over some situation they have no control over...

Such symbolic moves are a waste of time. There is a time and a place for civil disobedience and peaceful resistance; but it is not at international events. Symbolic measures can work in your own country against your own government, but to do it in order to influence another country is stupidity.

What does Israel care if Turkey is unrepresented at Davos? What does Israel care if the majority of nations are against them and their actions? They have their stalwart allies, guardian sentinels and their country. Thats all that matters to them.

So... to recap, its the Turkish population who lose.

The height of hypocrisy once again. As other members have rightly highlighted, Turkey actually invaded Iraq to deal with the PKK. Israel acted in an identical fashion in dealing with Hamas. Typical position that is flaunted these days though, if a non-muslim country invades a Muslim country the situation becomes a whole lot more sensitive. Did you see this much uproar after the Russia-Georgia conflict? I think not...

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as pointed out before
did Turkey lay siege to northan Iraq? or any of the comparable and despicable actions by Israel?

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Turkey sent in tanks, thousands of air raids and even troop deployments across Iraqs border. You can hide behind little technicalities all you like. The fundamental truth is that Turkey and its Islamist leader Erdogan are guilty of blind hypocrisy.

Want to know why Turkey has stopped being quiet about Israeli banditry?

Mossad role in Turkey coup plot revealed
Mon, 01 Dec 2008 10:05:26 GMT

Israel's national intelligence agency Mossad has been behind a failed coup in Turkey, the Turkish daily newspaper, Milliyet reports.

A secret investigation into detained Ergenekon group members and other studies outside Turkey indicate that Mossad orchestrated the coup plot against the Turkish government, the report says.

The Ergenekon group is a Turkish neo-nationalist organization with alleged links to the military, members of which have been arrested on charges of plotting to foment unrest in the country.

Investigators uncovered evidence that show a Jewish rabbi named Tuncay Guney, who worked for Mossad and fled to Canada in 2004, was a key figure behind attempts to overthrow the Turkish government.

www.presstv.ir...

Interestingly enough, Israel has created strong links with Kurdish groups like the communist PKK on Turkish and Iraqi territories often activating these Israeli financed and armed groups to manufacture crafted mayhem.


Israel cannot, I repeat, it cannot help itself. This is what it does and it is a clear and present danger to the world.

Rabbi Tuncay Guney aka Daniel Guney aka Daniel Levi is a wanted man in Turkey.

www.haaretz.com...

www.itusozluk.com...

www.itusozluk.com...

Here is`a video of the mossad agent in which the poster of the vid describes as a 'performance' as Tuncay Guney beats his chest, figuratively. He is currently in Toronto Canada as a director of a Yeshiva but does not speak English.

The Toronto Jewish community publicly disassociate themselves yet provide him with a well paid job in a religious institution which conveniently by passes Canadian visa regulations due to his 'specialist' knowledge and community needs.

So here is the full picture of what is going on between Israel and Turkey and not the amputated crap on MSN. Tuncay Guney can not go to Israel; for this to happen, it would be a de facto admittance by Israel of an attempted coup d'etat of a friendly nation and the sponsoring of sedition.

I am waiting for the day that Israel does something stupid like attacking russian forces . after that Russia will send its lovely 20 megaton SS-18 ICBM's to flatten Israel and for Samson option , don't worry Russian ABM defences of S-300/S-400 and Soviet scalar weapons will take good care of it