11 yr Old Tasered In School

Im sure there are plenty of witnesses for the case and a proper judgment will come down.

Under normal circumstances..the tasing would be the wrong decision.

However going by current information, the tasing was justified.

Just because this involved an 11 year old does not dismiss the act of the 11 year old.

What would be said if this 11 year old had pushed that other student into traffic and that student was killed? Would there still be this "oh poor little girl" attitude?

I seriously doubt it.

Fortunatley that other student did not end up underneath an oncomming vehicle.

This 11 yr old has some problems and its best that they be dealt with now before she gets older and does something far worse than push a desk or spit or punch out a cop.

And yes..it brings up the question of what is going on in this kid's home.



Cheers!!!!

A 170 lb girl PUNCHED a female police officer in the face. I think tasing was quite appropriate!

This girl is about my size and weight, and let me tell you - I could cause some damage where I not mentally stable. Rest assured on that.

But I'm also an adult now, and while I'm shocked at the fact a tazer was used on a girl her age, I've also got to admit I've met children with developmental disabilities who are quite strong and large for their age - and when they get combative - it's a complete throwdown.

Kids don't fight like adults. Disturbed kids don't understand rules and boundaries, or even the verbal condemnation of their actions. Bullies could simply care less.

I'm under the impression this young lady may have a developmental disability. She has already demonstrated by trying to push another child into oncoming traffic that she holds no regard for others.

I'm also fully aware in this "my baby! your baby! it's only a child" era of soft foam padded playscapes, helmets, harnesses, and super over-protective parenting that naturally there will be a lot of readers who condemn this action on the part of the officer purely because of the age of this girl.

I also understand those who champion the causes of the mentally ill, mentally deficient, etc. and must be shocked at this event happening to one of their "babies"...but from the perspective of one who has been through almost every level of Mental Health Inpatient facilities, I can assure you - some of those kids (regardless of age) can be extremely strong and aggressive.

I've seen some kids with conditions weigh upwards of 240 pounds, who tower over me at 5'10" and who think a strong fist to your head is a polite way of saying "I like you".

When these kids become upset, it can take up to and as many as eight highly trained orderlies to subdue them.

And this was a single officer responding...


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[edit on 1/30/09 by GENERAL EYES]

The Child was tasered not to stop her pushing the child in the road it was later.

It was when she was in the classroom and the teacher could not control her, so they called the Police/Security who obviously failed to restrain her properly, and then after being punched Tasered the child.

This was a case of hitting back as such by the police/security, who lost his cool after being struck.

If the child was in the classroom, why didn't they they leave her in there, block the door until she calmed down, talked her down, or waited until two people security/police could restrain her properly.

She had a temper tantrum and is a big girl so tazer her?

Sounds like she has emotional or psychological problems at the time so being ill/sick punish her?

Lack ot training and the security/police are as wrong even more so as an adult and meant to be trained than a big Kid having a temper tantrum.

It was not done to protect anyone except IMHO except the tazerers hurt ego.

I am just short of 6 ft, and not bulky slim but strong as such, I have as said elsewhere with someone of similiar size restrained many times, once an 18 stone man, who had diagnosed psychiatric issues, was about 6ft4 ins and was in a rage of Caveman proportions. In public, quickly, easily and safely, no harm done, he burnt out.

Its just training and the right mental attitude. Two trained people can restrain even a Seal or the SAS types if you know what they are doing and are close enough to get contact at the same time, (lol with the sas types obviously without them knowing you are just about to or intend to ) 2 secs later they are on the ground, unable to move without causing themselves pain, not face down but sitting and just struggle till their muscles burn and throat is sore from screaming at the frustration of lack of mobility of any limbs, or head without causing themselves pain.

Its sick what is happening in the lack of training for security and police officers for aggressive behaviour.

IMHO this officer should not work in a school again.

Send him to the hood.

Elf.

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Must say General Eyes that is al lack of training really, and good experience of staff.

I worked with something called "Intensive Support Services" and heard all those stories in peoples notes from similar wards, seen the "label" put on some clients. Seen the reports of broken jaws, noses etc from supposedly Ward Managers in clients histories.

Funny enough after 3 yrs of real workers who are very very switched on in psychological and behaviour modification techniques, with real and proper ongoing restraint training, working on a very close team basis 2 staff to one client, they are OK then to live in the community, whera's secure units and wards could not deal with them.

Its the £ and $ lack of funding and proper staff selection and training. In all the time I did it, with the most highly funded clients in the country I worked in, on a resettlement team , I have seen Nurse managers have breakdowns, clients get re sectioned repeatedly, been tied to fences as people cant handle them, but get 10 good staff members on a rota basis, consistency, consistency, and training very switched on, to see the triggers and "See" events before they happen, 2 years later no such issues occuring again.

Obviously SOME clients will never be changed in their behaviour and are a real risk, if though the staff are switched on these real dangerous situations shouldn't happen too often, or be expected when they occur in at least 50% of cases. It takes staff who "know" the client inside out. I have seen soo many workers in this field create such problems rather than actually stop them its very worrying.

In the many years I did it, I only ever got landed with a punch once, kicked a couple of times, and spat at much, but considering the clients as said who had files from floor to ceiling with workers getting hospitalised daily and complete breakdown of any sort of shared living quarters even in secure units it proves to me what I say above.

A couple of those clients now live in the community on a 1 to 1 staff basis! Change can happen if the £ $ and right staff are there for a long enough period of time. Its not easy but it can be done.

Never show them your fear and know hard form Tai Chi helps a lot too

Kind Regards,

Elf

Originally posted by MischeviousElfThis was a case of hitting back as such by the police/security, who lost his cool after being struck.

It was NOT a big burly MALE cop! It was a FEMALE officer who might have been quite a bit smaller than the 11 year old.

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It was a FEMALE officer...everyone keeps saying "he"

But honestly any way this went down it wouldve looked bad to you sympathizers.. Im also sure this FEMALE school officer wouldnt have much for backup officers seeing as how it was an elementry school...im sure she was all they had..

And locking a crazy 11 yr old giant in a school room to calm down would have resulted in alot of damaged property...

Also if the child is mentally disabled it wouldve been stated on the news report to gain more uuuuuhhhs and aaaahhhhs.... This child is just a bad egg that was called out for something bad she did (attempting to push another student into traffic) and threw a fit "i didnt do it...it was the other giant 11 yr old' *spit spit"

Her mom is probably sleeping well knowing her evil child isnt coming home to most likely act worst there

Sorry to be so cruel... but kids these days think there are no serious consequences for anything they do anymore... because they know there are millions of "OH THE CHILDREN DONT HURT THE CHILDREN" people out there to smear the names and reputations of any respectable adult to try and stop their absurd behavior...

And im only 26...my mother never laid a finger on me growing up... so i walked all over her...and did anything i wanted...with no fear of punishment because even back then it was such a travisty to even spank your child... luckily i finally realized how i treated my mother and was able to change my ways..

this kid wouldve finally one day killed someone if this officer didnt give her a wake up call..

the lady cop deserves a metal