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UK Terror Law To Make Photographing Police Illegal

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posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by noonebutme
Hmm.. I just asked a police mate who works in the London Met and she's said she's not heard that it would be "Illegal" to photograph them. She said if a bunch of people are taking pictures of them as they arrest someone that's not a bother to them. It was only if the taking of the pictures actually impeded them from doing their job, as in getting in the officer's way or putting themselves at risk for a few candid shots.

But she says she's been photgraphed loads of times by the mates of the people they nick on their mobiles. They never stop them... [shrug]


Just before they seized all your handguns, that same police officer would have said - "Of course you can own a pistol".

What would she say now?

New laws are just that, new.




posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:05 PM
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posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:09 PM
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I just spent the last half hour looking at the DirectGov site in UK and could NOT find any mention of this "Photographing the Police" issue becoming a LAW. I tried all kinds of searchword combinations and got nothing.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:11 PM
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I suppose this means that any footage can't be used against them in court? Evidence obtained illegally?

I guess we won't be seeing any more Rodney King scenarios...



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul
I suppose this means that any footage can't be used against them in court? Evidence obtained illegally?

I guess we won't be seeing any more Rodney King scenarios...


No it doesnt because its not true. Its just another thing to perpetuate this bizarre belief Britian is under some crazy NWO experiment, a testing ground for all the evils of a one world government.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:01 PM
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reply to post by questioningallwell this is my first post here at ATS. I've been reading you're forums since I found this site. Very interesting and my kind of stuff. Bare with me if I did this wrong.

On to the goods than. I read this forum today and now my heart is racing! I live in canada and some years ago my hobby was to film, police in action. Let's just say I was a little bad ass than. So I have a few clips that I posted on utube (once I'm home I will link them here). In one clip the cops tell me its illegal to film them, so I call a lawyer and find out that is BS. So the next clip I have the cop asks for my camera!! If you guys want to see these clips on www.youtube.com do a search for "guelph police" the one clip is called harrasment or stereo types and the other is called knowing you're rights. Stupid, maybe, but about a year after posting them, they did an article in the local paper called the guelph mercury and they actually where on my side, saying that it was not against the law. I will try & link that as well when I'm home from work.

My question to the good people at ATS is, "can I be charged now???". I will be taking these videos off by the 16th just in case. Wow this sucks!
 



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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reply to post by questioningallwell this is my first post here at ATS. I've been reading you're forums since I found this site. Very interesting and my kind of stuff. Bare with me if I did this wrong.

On to the goods than. I read this forum today and now my heart is racing! I live in canada and some years ago my hobby was to film, police in action. Let's just say I was a little bad ass than. So I have a few clips that I posted on utube (once I'm home I will link them here). In one clip the cops tell me its illegal to film them, so I call a lawyer and find out that is BS. So the next clip I have the cop asks for my camera!! If you guys want to see these clips on www.youtube.com do a search for "guelph police" the one clip is called harrasment or stereo types and the other is called knowing you're rights. Stupid, maybe, but about a year after posting them, they did an article in the local paper called the guelph mercury and they actually where on my side, saying that it was not against the law. I will try & link that as well when I'm home from work.

My question to the good people at ATS is, "can I be charged now???". I will be taking these videos off by the 16th just in case. Wow this sucks!
 



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:10 PM
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AT this point, there is some question to the validity of this law, that was sourced from another alternative news site. Their source was from a photojournalist who is familiar with the law coming up.

So, I would not take any vids off youtube you did, plus it would be going forward, it could not go backwards from that date.

I am on the fence, after reading some of the post - I have been looking through the new law, but it is so convoluted, I can not make heads or tails out of it.

But it does talk about a broad spectrum of things, just as the new law we are going to have come Feb. 10th, (lead law) that law is very broad also, so it encompasses everything.

I would hazard a guess, someone from England, will dig up this story that is a member of ATS and get to the bottom of it.

But considering some police already do not like to be photographed and try to have it stopped at this time - by saying it is against the law, I would not be too surprised if the new law, might have that hidden somewhere in it.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by questioningall
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I would hazard a guess, someone from England, will dig up this story that is a member of ATS and get to the bottom of it.


Eh? I'm from England, Budski's from England and I'm pretty sure R-evolve is from England. We've all read the thread and the relevant Act and we have come to the same conclusion. It's bunk.

Either someone quote the actual part of the Act that makes photographing police illegal or accept the facts as they stand.

Do you just want this to be true?



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by Muundoggie
I just spent the last half hour looking at the DirectGov site in UK and could NOT find any mention of this "Photographing the Police" issue becoming a LAW. I tried all kinds of searchword combinations and got nothing.


Prison Planet has always been a notoriously unreliable source. Jones is a fear merchant of the highest order. He creates the circumstances of his videos too. He heckles and harasses authorities until they loose their cool and then turns his cameras on. In a video I saw the other day he was yelling insults at people like a 10 year child would. He is not a mature man.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by Mike_A

Originally posted by questioningall
reply to post by maelstrom187
 
I would hazard a guess, someone from England, will dig up this story that is a member of ATS and get to the bottom of it.


Eh? I'm from England, Budski's from England and I'm pretty sure R-evolve is from England. We've all read the thread and the relevant Act and we have come to the same conclusion. It's bunk.

Either someone quote the actual part of the Act that makes photographing police illegal or accept the facts as they stand.

Do you just want this to be true?


You may have read the thread and come to the "conclusion" just from the thread it is not a "real" law. But that does not mean it is not real, just from you "reading" this thread.

When I say dig up, I mean doing some investigation into it, calling around - though I don't know, if the police will admit it yet or the regular police even know about it yet.

Why would you ask me, if I wanted it to be true?

Why am I being attacked here? AGAIN - I DID NOT just make this up!
I am tired of being Attacked for posting it! THere is a source!
Stop attacking ME over it!



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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No I didn't know about this. Thanks so much for the link.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:10 PM
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Am I speaking a foreign language here or something? I can’t figure out why so many just don’t get it.

I have personally read the entire Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 and have also searched it for the relevant keywords. I have personally found NO PART OF THIS LEGISLATION THAT MAKES PHOTOGRAPHING POLICE ILLEGAL. No I haven't JUST read this thread and no it isn't not just a "real" law, it isn't a law AT ALL.

That’s about the best research you can do. I’ve read the damn thing and I’ve understood it and I still can’t find this new offence your article claims. The Act has been posted here for everyone to do the same but still no one has shows us the relevant passage of text. The original article couldn’t even say what part contained this new offence.

But it’s not just me it is Budski and Muundoggie too. Three people, at least two from England have done the digging and done the research and we can’t come up with any corroborating evidence for the articles claim. You’ve even had a look yourself and can’t come up with anything. What more is there to do?


Originally posted by questioningall
Why would you ask me, if I wanted it to be true?


Because I can’t think of any other reason for you to still be clinging onto even the remotest possibility of this being true. Like I said above you know that the act cited doesn’t contain the offence that the article claimed, there is no way that you can’t know that by now but yet you are still saying it might be true. I just don’t get it, I’m not attacking you, I genuinely don’t understand why you still think the article might be correct.


[edit on 29-1-2009 by Mike_A]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:14 PM
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The footage of the UK police officers harassing the camera man - on his own property - is incredibly disturbing and makes me feel very vulnerable.

Their whole manner - especially the female officer who tries to bate the camera man into verbally insulting the other officer - is provocatory.

Their assumption is to treat the camera man like a criminal - before even establishing if an offence has been committed.

I have sent this video to my MP and hope he will raise the issue with the home office.

I urge all other members in the UK to send the YouTube link and a few lines on what the video is - to your MP and ask this issue to be raised.

These officers should have been disciplined severely.

What might look like an inconsequential mistake here - is in fact an incredibly scary encroachment on ALL of our civil liberties.

Stop this now or hell knows where this will end.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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I'm glad it's not true. Thanks for letting us know and thanks for correcting the OP.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:25 PM
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I'm American, but I side with the British on this one.

I find nothing to convince me that just photographing a cop is illegal.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Mike_A
Am I speaking a foreign language here or something? I can’t figure out why so many just don’t get it.

I have personally read the entire Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 and have also searched it for the relevant keywords. I have personally found NO PART OF THIS LEGISLATION THAT MAKES PHOTOGRAPHING POLICE ILLEGAL. No I haven't JUST read this thread and no it isn't not just a "real" law, it isn't a law AT ALL.

[edit on 29-1-2009 by Mike_A]


if this is the case then why are police consistantly saying it is the law?.

it means they are constantly lying.
why?,what are they trying to hide?
and why the uniformity of their desire for filming to be illegal and their responses that it is?

its almost as if thier acting from a script,a written program if you will.......

are the police doing this spontaniously or are they taking orders from their super intendants etc?
if its spontanious and not some form of high directive filtered down then by god thats alot of spontanious behaviour that is very similiar...and its happening across the world..
....patterns people.....programmed minds....

heres a thread dedicated the the "polices" crimes,and by god theres alot of them.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 29-1-2009 by welivefortheson]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 09:23 PM
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Originally posted by welivefortheson
if this is the case then why are police consistantly saying it is the law?.


Well I wouldn’t say they are “consistently” saying it is the law; a few youtube videos can’t prove that assertion.

However I accept that some do say that it is but they’re still wrong; unless you can show me the relevant statute or precedent. Why they say it is something to be debated but I imagine it’s a mixture of misunderstanding (of the law), disgruntled police responding to some annoying “film until I get a good response” oik and corrupt officers on a power trip. I don’t think we can paint them with a wide brush.

But even if police are consistently saying this it wouldn’t have a bearing on this discussion because the act has not come into force yet so whether the original article is true or not the police would still be wrong.

I think you’re just being paranoid if you think this is part of a grand world wide conspiracy.

@ rapinbatsisaltherage andjam321

Thanks, glad to know my posts are actually showing up in English!



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 09:24 PM
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I think, maybe, it's getting about time for Everyone to start asking the Mafia's Head Don just what He can do for Us, and ask how much Tax He'd like to do it. Maybe, since We are being treated like Criminals, anyways, We should just cross that green mile and become all out Criminals, and ask the Mafia just what We can do for them.

More and more, Government's are Declaring War on their People.

I wonder, how long until just such calls are met with Force? And, I mean from Peaceful Resistance through to the Use of Deadly Force. I'm more and more getting of the opinion that, not only is a Mass Revolt or War coming, but, that it is, quite frankly, long overdue.

If I am safer being tracked, monitored, surveilled, coralled, threatened, fined, jailed, imprisoned, bullied or whatever, because, some guy with a bomb likes blowing himself up, or, diving planes into buildings, or, shooting innocent civilians; and, my only option is the Terror Laws and Homeland Security, etc. to protect me; then, I say NO THANK YOU.

I may consider just moving to the Middle East and taking my chances with the Terrorists. They seem to have more Freedoms than We do. Granted, they might well kill me on sight, but, at least they won't sneak up on me like a thief in the night.

Personally, I'm getting to where I don't care what the Law is. We're pretty much treated like We're Guilty. So, why not just break the Unjust Laws? Photograph and film every cop We see. Splatter the images all over the Web, and, if they tried to take Our Property, well, We're treated as less than human, anyways, why not just Resist?

Accuse me of cheating long enough and I'll sleep with your closest friends and family.

I'm so sick of the War on Drugs and Terror. I almost see the Good Guys as way worse than the supposed Enemy. I don't even care that the WTC killed 3000 people, not that I don't lament their loss. Governments have murdered worse than that. I'll take my chances with the Terrorist's and Drug Users, Thank You Very Much. I don't fear the Enemy as much as I do my alleged Protector's.

It's hard enough trying not to Break the Law as it is. It's Rough being a Law Abiding Citizen. But, when the Law chokes your every move, not because you did anything wrong, but, because you are "suspected" and might even be tortured or killed for that "suspicion," well, then the Law becomes Impotent and loses all it's Power and Authority, as far as I'm concerned.

And Police brutality is torture because of the lifelong psychological affects of it. I was myself held at gun point by 5 officer's and told I'd be shot if I even breathed funny. I was only 14. They never did say why, but, they did say, as they left, that they'd be in the area for a while, if I moved, I would be jailed for resisting arrest and beaten, as well. I did not move from the spot they left me at for over 2 hours.

I despise abuse of authority now, and, will treat a Cop as a man with a gun.

3 years later, I found myself in an armed standoff with 56 police officers and was ready to go out as I must. I faced over 56 felony charges and 40 years in prison without the possibility of parole. I mean just what I say. I got out of the charges, because, the psychological affects of what those 5 officers did is a very real damage. I can sue the State and Fed's if they ever use it against me, as, legally, it was destroyed and does not exist.

What I'm saying is true. Police Brutality 100% causes permanent, severe psychological damage to the victim, and, may affect observers, of the brutality or implied use of deadly force.

I only repond to Civility, now.

It is Illegal, Unjust, and Abridges my Rights as a Law Abiding Citizen. I uphold the Constitution, and, even It does not uphold the Laws that it deems, not as they deem, contradict it. It is my interpretation that counts, as I, and only I can decide whether I support and defend the Constitution and Laws, or not.

The Anti- Terror and Drug Laws, I do not support and I do not defend them. Which is sad since I am trained in Terrorism Tactics and Measures/ Counter- Terrorism Tactics and Measures, and, charged with the Duty of my Country's First Line of Defense. If I ever see anyone violate the Unjust Laws, I will turn the other way. I will see and say nothing. I'd rather be Accessory to Crime, than, Complicit to Oppression. I would Protect my Fellow Man from such Atrocities, but, my Leaders, and their Agents, may well be on their Own.

I should hope for the same Courtesy from my Fellow Good, Moral, and Productive Citizen. If you are not a Terrorist as any sensible, sane, and rational individual would determine a Terrorist to be, then, do whatever any sensible, sane, rational person would do. I won't stop you. In fact, if you record a Leader,their Agent, or Citizen commiting a Crime against a Fellow Citizen of the World, I'll not only turn my back, I'll help, aid, and abet your cause. That's all I can think to do to protest such insanity. People toss around Police State, Police Planet, Socialism, Behavior Modification, New World Order, and Social Engineering as though it belongs only to the whacko's.

Maybe, the Terrorist's Target Civilian's, because, Civilian's are their Targets.

I mean, maybe, they tried to wake people up to the Oppression all around, and as people just went on justifying the Oppression, or calling the warners crazy, even as the Oppressive yoke tightened around their throats; the Terrorist's, maybe, decided that the Worst Danger to their Freedoms were the Civilian Supporters. No Supporters, No Power to the Oppressor's. They may just be trying to kill off the Oppressive Power's That Be's Currency; their Human Resources and Natural Energy of Intellectual and Physical Property.

It makes sense, anyways. They'd know that the PTB don't really care about her People as much as their Power. Maybe, they are stripping them of their Power Base. Just a side thought.

Back to my ranting.

I have better things to do with my time than to let some a- hole I've never met, tell me who I have to let do what to make me safe, when they are the very reason that I am not safe.

I'm guessing that the terrorists would not even be as hostile or threatening to me as they would be to them, because, they are probably just as fed up with Government and Corporate 'Holier Than Thou' BS.

I'd rather live with Pablo Escobar on one side and Bin Laden on the Other than an Oppressor or Supporter'.

[edit on 29-1-2009 by PhyberDragon]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 09:29 PM
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This New Law is unenforceable absurd and easily beaten in the same manner as the 1990 Poll Tax.

When 100,000 people are watching Soldiers escorting the Queen up the Mall in London Tens of thousands will be taking photographs. The entire route of the parade is lined by Police.They will be photographed.

If we are allowed to photograph Soldiers , The Queen & The Royal Family how can we not photograph the police escorting them?

When the Police five a press conference the Police will be photographed.

When 100,000 are attending a Music Festival like Glastonbury Tens of Thousands of people will be taking photographs and the police will be Photographed.

When 100,000 people are attending a football match Tens of Thousands of people will be taking photographs and the police will be Photographed.

The Olympic Games 2012 are in London lets say a million people watch the Games maybe 500,000 people will be taking photographs the Police are always in attendence they will be photographed.

The same is true for The Wimbledon Tennis Tornemant , Film Premiers , Weekends at the Beach etc etc. We are talking about millions of people.

The only reason this Law is being introduced is because the NWO are plannning to use the Police to inflict violence upon the people a and the NWO doesnt want any Rodney King type videos turning up on the net.

It is simple to stop this Law. Get Ten thousand people to march through London with cameras and get them to stop outside Parliament & Scotland Yard and get the m all to tske photgraphs at the same time.



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