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posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 04:42 AM
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appologies for the crap title - it was the best i could muster .

but - it troubles me reading many threads in this sub forum , how little regard some people take to the issue that ,

when society does break down - or is disrupted by a natural disaster - you are not going to be the only one ` heading for the hills `

and the ` pristine bit of wilderness ` that you might thing can support yiou indefinitly - is going to get pillaged from all sides - by every man and his dog

a very fitting analogy is a clip i saw a while ago of looters during a riot - 2 people had ` liberated ` some kind of humongous flat screen teevee from a store - and while making off - 3 more promptly relieved them off it - and left one of the origional thieves laying on the ground

my point is - why did the 3 not just go into the store that had 5 or 6 more identical teeveees - and get thier own ??

answer IMHO - laziness and greed

and that is one of the biggest dangers you will face in a disaster situation where few people die in the actual disaster

there will be a lot of people running round - and any smoke , gunfire , vehicle activity will be investigated

i guess the crux of my argument - is the question :

its not can you survive , buy any means , but can you survive under the radar - no smoke - no gunfire etc ?




posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 04:54 AM
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It'll be like that here in the UK, total Chaos. Everyone heading for the burbs..

No Squirrel, seagull or pigeon is safe, as we have no real wildlife / deer or any 'meaty' animals anymore. ( might need to invest in air rifle to 'catch' them though.

At least where we live we're not that far from the country anyway, 20 min m/c ride and we're outside the city...
Mind you we pass some farms on the way, might have to stock up on beef as we flee .. YUM YUM (*smacks lips*)...



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by DataWraith
No Squirrel, seagull or pigeon is safe, as we have no real wildlife / deer or any 'meaty' animals anymore. ( might need to invest in air rifle to 'catch' them though.

At least where we live we're not that far from the country anyway, 20 min m/c ride and we're outside the city...
Mind you we pass some farms on the way, might have to stock up on beef as we flee .. YUM YUM (*smacks lips*)...


The beef will not last long, and after that you will need some kind of
protein source.

One of the few complete plant proteins is Amaranth.

Ancient songs have been song about it, for this reason.

You can get the seeds on Ebay very cheaply, make sure and get
non-GMO.

Also do not plant in rows, earth shelter your hidden shelter so you
need no fire for heat.

Good Luck to you all !

[edit on 29-1-2009 by Ex_MislTech]

[edit on 29-1-2009 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:07 AM
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The USA is a mighty big country, filled with huge portions of un-deveoloped land. I seriously doubt that resources out there would run out as soon as your implying.

The REAL problem is going to be with those who think its time for some mini war and that its a free for all shooting spree with all their collected guns and ammo, and also those that will go around trying to steal from those who know how to hunt and make shelter and tools for survival.

I think that an educational campaign should be started by all the survival experts out here, and focus on teaching people how to hunt, build shelter from natural resources, make tools and clothing, all the basics to survival, instead of teaching people what kind of gun or ammo or 4 wheel drive they should have.



Cheers!!!!



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by DataWraith
It'll be like that here in the UK, total Chaos. Everyone heading for the burbs..

No Squirrel, seagull or pigeon is safe...


Well remind me not to take shelter in the UK...scary. J/K

That's a true enough premise though. Somehow everyone thinks they can just go out into the wilderness and survive just fine... The poor souls have no clue... Wilderness survival takes work, lots and lots of it. I can do it, but I make no pretense that it would be easy to do.

In the event of a global catastrophe there'd be a lot of desperate characters roaming around looking for food, shelter, and/or loot (the loot comes in many shapes and forms, use your imagination...) and won't be willing to take no for an answer. This requires a certain mindset on the part of the the one trying to make a living, rather than taking a living. It will mean, most unfortunately, a "shoot first" mentality.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:40 AM
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YUMYUM, bend over and get ready to recieve some sage and onion stuffing .....

J/K.

I wouldn't resort to cannablism ( unless she was very cute) no matter how hungry I was. I'd have to get a book on dangerous flora and fauna I'm not allowed to eat. Otherwise I'd probably get the JappyCr*ppies...

There's very little 'open' country here in the UK anyway, and considering the amount of people there are and how many towns and villages are scattered around the 'countryside' we'd most likely meet in the middle anyway.
Think the best course of action for the UK is to vacat the larger cities to the country but those on the outer lting areas should stay put and try and ride it out.

We're already stocking up in our house ( 6th floor flat) and I'm getting the garage ( in its own seperate block) insulated incase theres a problem with the apartment. Generators are a big plus as wellas a small supply of petrol..
Sad , I'm even looking at a bug out bag and solar panels for whatever devices I need....

Nothing is going to happen ( *crosses fingers , looks to the heavens) but better safe than sorry.( Hmm just had an idea seeing as the bailout bandits are handing their properties to 'loved' ones, maybe I should sign over the garage to my Bro, he's not on the mortgage paperwork) that way we'll have somewhere to go
). ( even though WE haven't paid for it either yet )




posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:44 AM
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Sprout for victory! No need forscavenging and fighting over lumps of meat.

Sprouts grow within 5 days and you can feed a family of four with LITERALLY 2 meters square area, inside.

My cupboard:
Oats
Goji Berries
Medicinal Hemp Seeds (you can't get high off them so spare the wisecracks)
Sunflower Seeds
Dried Spinanch and other greens.

Pretty much the diet I eat now. I feel awesome on it as well.

Anyway. Yes, it's not about heading for the hills, but being comfortable where you are now. Don;t tell too many people you're stocking up.

And remember: It's not definitely going to happen. We might have a few lean years but it doesn't have to end up like 28 days later. An economic crash is not Armageddon.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 05:47 AM
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Sprouts???

SPROUTS??????

Can you even imagine the windage from your family??

Besides don't you realise that sprouts are a Chrstmas time only vegetable?



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:04 AM
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what always amazes me is that there are so many "survivalists" who believe that everyone is one short hop away from being a psychopath!!!

the best strategy for human survival is to band together peacefully and to trade/interact in as ordered a manner as possible, it is constantly the method of living humans choose.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:06 AM
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The only problem I see with sprouts is that they use the seed without producing more.

This continues to represent humanity's mindset and probably why, as a race, we could not be transported to another planet for survival by kindly ets.

When I first saw the title of this thread in Survival, I thought, finally someone understands that the mad max shoot em first lone wolf survival is not, I REPEAT NOT the way civilized human beings do anything. Maybe demons, not people!
Look to each other. Group together. Exclude no one, and create native style villages. Be cooperative, share the resources, do things together. Who cares if they find you. They cant take the whole country out. Do the right thing always!
Then, we may get some help. If not, we can still hold our chins high, because we're actually becoming people for the first time not animals. Currently with most of the world living in unbearable conditions for the benefit of the few, we can hardly be called that.

Get a survival group going in your community and educate it. Go for the whole, not just survival of self.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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Great posts people.

It is true that most people will not be able to defend or feed themselves during natural disasters, or man made ones for that matter.

Yes there will be chaos, there will be roving groups of Takers on the lookout for food, women, firearms, ammunition and anything else they can get their hands on. We could take a lesson from how the ancient Irish dealt with the invading Nordic races, many tried to fight them, and died, others gave what they could and were allowed to live because the raiders knew they could return again for supplies. I would think the women would have to be well hidden away from the villages though.

Firearms are a waste of time long term, as ammunition runs out, no matter how well stocked you might be. So the logical answer to this problem is Archery. Silent, replenishable ammuniton can be made with little effort, strings can be made from animal tendons, etc. A basic recurve bow will last for many years, and if looked after it will last you for your lifetime.

There is a company here in Australia called Eden Seeds, who supply original seed types in vacuum sealed bags.. well worth the research and investment long term. While on food requirements, a large bag or drum of Spirulina will provide everything needed to survive for a few families over a decent period of time. Yes it is disgusting to smell and taste, but it will keep you alive and nourished enough to work hard on your tasks and can be supplemented with trapped/hunted animal meat, naturally occuring foods like Tubers, etc.

This might sound very crazy, but I would advise anyone who is interested in long term survival to read the brilliant book "Clan of the Cave Bear" because it describes the preparations of natural plants as food, as medicines; how animals were turned into almost everything needed from food to clothing to utensils, etc.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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i guess the crux of my argument - is the question :

its not can you survive , buy any means , but can you survive under the radar - no smoke - no gunfire etc ?



At the end of the day its the unnoticed greyman survivalist who will triumph, he is the guy who does have a gun, but only to use in an absolute last desperate measure. I think the guy who puts most of his money into building up a good supply of kit that is well secured and out of site, is going to survive, but the young bug with the expensive gun will all the bells and whisttles on it will lose out. force is required but only after wisdom and discretion have been tried. OR as the SAS like to put it " Walk Quietly But Carry a Big Stick). The guy queitly hunkered down in a safe, secure environment is going to easily outlast the roamers.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Look to each other. Group together. Exclude no one, and create native style villages. Be cooperative, share the resources, do things together. Who cares if they find you. They cant take the whole country out. Do the right thing always!


The voice of reason from the wilderness! Thank you.

Because beyond the *We’ll go it alone” mentality - most posts presume everyone out there who wants to survive are people with no dependants.
What will you do with the babies?
What will you do with the elderly?
Are you going to commit mass genocide from day one to survive?
Because you’re not going to be able to keep the very old and very young constantly on the move to follow that next migrating herd of whatever it is you’re eating to stay alive?
No.
You’re going to have to ban together in small groups that will work together to preserve all life.
Planting - farming animals, etc.

peace



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by silo13
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Look to each other. Group together. Exclude no one, and create native style villages. Be cooperative, share the resources, do things together. Who cares if they find you. They cant take the whole country out. Do the right thing always!


The voice of reason from the wilderness! Thank you.

Because beyond the *We’ll go it alone” mentality - most posts presume everyone out there who wants to survive are people with no dependants.
What will you do with the babies?
What will you do with the elderly?
Are you going to commit mass genocide from day one to survive?
Because you’re not going to be able to keep the very old and very young constantly on the move to follow that next migrating herd of whatever it is you’re eating to stay alive?
No.
You’re going to have to ban together in small groups that will work together to preserve all life.
Planting - farming animals, etc.

peace


This approach should be very interesting if the SitX turns out to be a Flu Pandemic, Ebola Ziare or Niger, Bird Flu, Virus warfare or food shortages etc. One should indeed cooperate BUT only with people willing to spend as much time and money as you UP FRONT, and to make the same sacrifices you have already made NOW. I prefer the proven concept of mutual support agreements betwen individual and groups of survivalists and homesteaders, rather than get into the inevitable disaster that comes from socialist and cooperative based communes.

Every day and I do mean EVERY DAY I get contacts from people saying " We want to prepare or join a group BUT (always a but) I can not afford to, family commitments mean we can not relocate from the city, my mum wont let me, Its not possible for me to spend anything, I'm not sure if NOW is the right time to do something etc etc etc. Those folks generally are dreamers and worriers who will never be able to get up and take positive steps to improve their lives, and I for one dont want to end up in a community full of them.

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posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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And if it is, your point is what? Sitx is will be a manufactured disaster of some kind or a "natural" cataclsym. I don't consider anything natural anymore, mind you, not after the rumors of 9 nukes exploded in the arctic ocean in November, and a sudden huge whole in our magnetic shield in December (oops!) and all the seismic activity. I think whatever "natural" disaster is brewing, they are doing on purpose.

No matter what the disaster, people will need to group up and survive together.
Disease will need to be addressed, of course, but even here there are methods that are inhuman versus human.

Another poster talked about women as a commodity that could be raided! Get real. The communities I'm talking about being formed would naturally be training women Steven Segal style, because they will never be commodities for a bunch of primitive mad max, dog eat dog idiots. We intend to evolve into the cosmos, not retrograde into a blast from the past.

If we started doing this now, in our communities, acting with heart and spirit, and community, always communal and sharing, withdrawing support from all elitists and government that supports them, we would probably find ourselves with quite a lot of help from the visitors who are judging us as primitives.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:21 AM
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What 9 nukes?


That's a new one to me..



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:43 AM
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Originally posted by DataWraith

I wouldn't resort to cannablism ( unless she was very cute)



Cannibalism is an extremely risky way to get your food, because it recycles pathogens, mutagens, and other bad stuff like prions.


Mad cow disease was essentially caused because farmers were feeding cows... COWS!


Not good.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 07:45 AM
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This thread was overlooked by many, but I noticed it:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

In addition theres this on Ron Paul's website: www.dailypaul.com...

Apparently this was reported by the Russians. I believe it happened and is repsonsible for both the huge tear in our magnetic shield reported just a month later, and all the seismic activities. Where the nukes were reported to be used is right where the true magnetic north has left Canadian Waters, and where the core is buldging closer to the surface. I imagine its a fairly significant and critical area.

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posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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cheers for the links , appreciated.



posted on Jan, 29 2009 @ 11:46 AM
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Fortunately, I live in an area where I can be alone. My BOL is off the beaten path and the only people that know about it are others who have worked on it and stocked it with me. It took hard work and sacrifice to have an oasis like this, but to me it was worth the time.

As to your title, you will not be alone. In most every instance you are correct. Anyone who honestly believes they can just pick up and run off into the woods and be alone is fooling themselves, thats what everyone else will be doing.

Now places where is low population density, this is entirely possible. Just pick up and bang, youre gone. In the areas around metro areas, it will be different, and bad.

I spent two weeks recently on vacation near a city of roughly 500,000. The tightness of the houses, the roadways, congestion, it was mindnumbing, and that was on a good day. I couldnt imagine what it would be like if everyone was tearing out of there with no place to go. Anarchy comes to mind.

So, like I said, I agree with you that most will not be alone. After the panic subsides, and the riots end, people will still be near one another and have to work with and fight the day with others, many of whom they do not know. Best of luck to them, and my party and I will toast to their health.



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