I never dissociate myself with this understanding. However, that does not mean we should not minister to them through association in a
Indeed we associate with many peoples in our daily walks in this world. However in ministering to peoples it is a waste of time to minister to those
who cannot see hear or understand. Those who have pride of life. This is a dominant trait among so many in this group who identify themselves almost
exclusively by their sexual orientation.
It never seems to occur to most peoples that to identify ones self by ones sexual orientation is one of the most sorry fingerprints with which to
burden ones self. For people are so much more than mere sexuality. Ironically ..many heterosexuals are just as ignorant of this as are the
homosexuals. Also this trait or fingerprint surrounding pride of life is just as dominant if not more so among the heterosexual crowd. Hence it is
just as ignorant and sinful for them to do so.
Almost no one including men of the cloth seem wont to teach this to their flocks...that Sexuality is a very poor standard by which to identify ones
greatness. Why is this concept almost totally missing from thinking peoples today in the rush to make men great???
In my thinking...people have to be educated to get this naturally stupid that they miss out totally on this concept.
Why do not preachers teach this concept to their flocks??
I have met only a very small handful of homosexuals who can understand and comprehend this concept. These small handfuls will agree that people are so
much more than mere sexuality.
The rest will resent what I am saying and then begin the process of labeling one with the various popular names to keep one off the center track or
template which is that this group has as it's sole identifying fingerprint ...its sexuality/sexual orientation. Their total claim to fame is their
sexual orientation. And people are mostly so far gone today ..that they don't even have enough accumen to realize how strange this is as a method of
identification. Hetero and Homo both.
The equally astonishing thing to me is that so few preachers even teach this concept to their flocks.
Those who can see hear and understand some of these concepts are those to whom I will minister..for our task is to "awaken" them to whom and what
they are. Most will reject it and turn to the world and the world beliefs and systems. They are dead people.
Those who can hear what is being said...are those who are awakened and alive. It is they who by the Grace of the Lord can be made by Him after His
way. They have always been few in number. For the Lord's people have always been a minority in this world surrounded by this worlds "Wildlife."
This sin of defining ones self by ones sexual orientation is also found among many heteros and bears the same mark.
I am not saying here that people do not have sexuality. I am saying that it is not the crux..the everything of who and what they are.
I am also saying that more preachers need to teach this concept to their flocks such that they see that this concept ..defining ones self by their
sexuality..is missing from God's Word. It is, however, to be found among the Pagan/Heathen nations and throughout history and unto today
Come out from amongst them and be ye separate and touch not the unclean thing.
I don't advise tolerance. I advise a different approach from what the Christian community has been taking in the area of ministry towards
homosexuality. You can still be holy (set apart) and interact / associate with people in the context of ministry.
Good to hear that you do not advise tolerance. I don't advise it as well. For I have learned that many peoples pushing both the hetero and homo
positions on sexuality are anything but tolerant. They would have everyone pushing the position of defining who and what they are by their sexuality
and sexual orientation. They are not tolerant at all of anyone who teaches anything else.
Indeed, He can forgive a homosexual person as well as a heterosexual. We have the evidence of this throughout His Word. And He will do so for His
purposes..not ours. If He desires to bring a homosexual person unto Him He will do the work in them to make them a workman worthy just as He has done
with all His people throughout His generations. He will put people before them to awaken and show them The Way.
My post is simply pointing to the fact that Christianity as a whole has condemned the homosexual community as the Pharisees condemned this
woman. They drag them out and tell them, "you're going to hell" in many circumstances.
This statement should read..the sexual community as a whole. Furthermore the Christianity cannot condem anyone, send them to hell nor save anyone.
This is totally outside of their power and authority. It is all up to Him as to who or for what reasons someone is condemned or saved. Interesting to
me that most Christians do not grasp this concept.
Also many Christians do not seem to grasp the concept that "all " deserve hell and damnation. All of us ..without exception. Christians especially.
The Lord chooses those who are His and for His purposes to carry His name upon thier lips..daily. For He changed them and draws then unto Him for his
reasons, For His purposes will He save them..not for our purposes.
Furthermore..that passage or story of the woman caught in adultery teaches the condemnation of the Pharisees. While it also teaches forgiveness...the
story is mostly about the Pharisees conspiring to trip up Jesus in His teachings. They were not at all concerned with the woman caught in adultery. We
see this pattern repeated over and over in the Gospels, the Pharisees approaching Jesus in an attempt to discredit him.
Interesting to me that most preachers do not teach this view of the condemnation of the Pharisees or why they were so condemned.
For there is no doubt that Jesus knew the sin of this woman as he knew the situation of the Samaritan woman at the well coming to draw water.
Most preachers do not and will not teach this passage from the view of the condemnation of the Pharisees. Why is this?? They pretty much avoid this
concept..yet it is clear to most peoples once it is pointed out to them what the Pharisees were doing or conversely..not doing.
Jesus is not against condemnation..for he rebukes the Hebrew leadership indluding the Pharisees ..over and over again..even calling them a den of
thieves and devils.
As to Judgement. The ultimate Judgement is His..not ours. However I have seen many on these threads as well as out here among the "wildlife" use the
concept that we are not to judge others. This is false.
We are to judge "Righteous " judgement. For if we do not make judgements we will never know when to put out from the flock. We know not to mix new
wine with olde, leven with unleven unless we know to judge.
This is the purpose of most of the rhetoric around the concept of tolerance. To prevent us from making "Righteous " judgement. To substitute, as
were the Pharisees, the traditions of men for the Word of God. In this case there is only one "Righteous" For Righteousness is one of His names
among many names.
We are to judge according to His Word..not the traditions of men.
These things in your list here are traditions of men
Judgment that is not acceptable includes:
* Tearing people down for their sin
* Considering a person damned to hell as a result of a sin issue
* Correcting someone when guilty of the same sin
* No mercy involved in the correction method
This is phariseeism.
THe "chance" to escape from the bondage of sin is done by Him..not by us Bugman82. We can only awaken them as to whom and what they are if the Lord
had done His work in them and for His purposes. If they are in the book of Life. If it is their time He will do His work in them. IF it is not thier
time He will not do His work in them.
I simply propose the approach of ministry towards homosexuals is a major problem
Sexuality is a major problem among men and being used to keep men stuck on the path of the traditions of men and away from the Word of God.
To keep men in continual bondage after the traditions of men. It is an attempt to bring back the patterns of the ancient Mystery Religions out into
the open once again. To have them dominate the world after thier god.
And much of this is being done by default in keeping the flocks of God's people in continued ignorance about many things, including His Word.
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