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Originally posted by pynner
wanna fix things.
Let it fail.
that's it.. that's how the system works.
cycles.. up down.. broken/fixed
Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
To "fix" the economy that is in place, is like a thumbless man trying to hitch hike to to the moon without a space ship...
We are America...we the people....are what makes this country, and we need to come up with a different way of thinking in order to remain free...because otherwise we will always be in service as "slaves" with economical chains binding us to the government.
Go back to the barter system, deal only in precious metals which have any value, trade job for job....favor for favor....work together....
Money is worthless, it is only another form of "energy" that has demeaned society, rather than helped it.
In other words, if you are a doctor, architect, construction worker, etc...trade your services for the services of others....those that are chefs, cooks, can feed us, while the farmer grows the food and trades it for his need for a doctor...who in turn needs a house built and trades with the construction worker....etc.
Get creative people....there will always be a need for organization....but taxes and big government....I think not.
Start small and watch the tree grow...roots down....branches spread....until it is working on such a scale, the times we are in right now will be no more than an unpleasant memory.
Can't be any worse...you just may be surprised.
~Holly
Originally posted by disgustedbyhumanity
Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
To "fix" the economy that is in place, is like a thumbless man trying to hitch hike to to the moon without a space ship...
We are America...we the people....are what makes this country, and we need to come up with a different way of thinking in order to remain free...because otherwise we will always be in service as "slaves" with economical chains binding us to the government.
Go back to the barter system, deal only in precious metals which have any value, trade job for job....favor for favor....work together....
Money is worthless, it is only another form of "energy" that has demeaned society, rather than helped it.
In other words, if you are a doctor, architect, construction worker, etc...trade your services for the services of others....those that are chefs, cooks, can feed us, while the farmer grows the food and trades it for his need for a doctor...who in turn needs a house built and trades with the construction worker....etc.
Get creative people....there will always be a need for organization....but taxes and big government....I think not.
Start small and watch the tree grow...roots down....branches spread....until it is working on such a scale, the times we are in right now will be no more than an unpleasant memory.
Can't be any worse...you just may be surprised.
~Holly
I get where you are coming from, but you are not thinking it through. Money was originally created to ease the burden of bartering for goods and to make the process more efficient. it would be impossible for 300 million people to survive without at least some system of credit and debits.
For instance if you are a builder and you build someone a house, and that someone only grows apples, do you want to get paid entirely in apples? Before you could barter the apples away, they would go bad. Let's say you need surgery and the doctor hates apples and that's all you have. You would then have to find out what the doctor wanted and trade your apples for that. By having a standardized system of credits and balances you solve the problems of bartering. That is all money really is.
As far as using precious metals for all transactions, there is not near the amount needed to do so with any effectiveness at all. Just like printing money causes inflation, every ounce of gold or silver mined after the transition would also be inflationary.
A better solution is to stick with money and only issue it when you have a corresponding increase of productivity. So basically we need to even out the money supply with the sum of all assets in the country. Go beyond that it will be inflationary. Stay below that and it will be deflationary.
Originally posted by Holly N.R.A.
You make some points...but my main point is Americans need to CHANGE their way of thinking. For example...so the doctor doesn't like apples....you can't get rid of the apples but you happen to have some gold chains lying around and he likes those....if one is creative, it works. Using script (which is all money would be) in exchange for services, would still not solve the problem...
The comfort level of the "haves" would even out with those of the "have not's"...and we just might start learning how to work with one another again, instead of creating what we did to get us to where we are now.
~Holly
[edit on 28-1-2009 by Holly N.R.A.]