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reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:36 AM by greeneyedleo
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to
post by vonspurter



It probably became widespread in America because of all the dogma and rumors that surrounded the practice. People thought that you would live longer if it was done, or that it would keep you from getting sicknesses. People STILL think that and it makes sense that it spread a long time ago because of the same old wives tales.



Well, obviously at one point in our history (American history), doctors were telling parents that is was best to circumcise (health reasons) and that is how it became widespread.

However, now:


The major medical societies in the USA[23], Britain[24], Canada[25], Australia and New Zealand[26] do not recommend routine non-therapeutic infant circumcision. Major medical organizations in the United States and Canada now say that parents should decide what is in their child's best interests, declining to make a recommendation one way or another. The AAP advises that "Physicians counseling families concerning this decision should assist the parents by explaining the potential benefits and risks and by ensuring that they understand that circumcision is an elective procedure."


So, why are all those non-religious people still circumcising their sons? Are doctors not telling parents it isn't necessary anymore? Do doctors not say anything because they can charge for this procedure? (had to throw the conspiracy angle in there). Are women who allow it to happen to their sons doing it because that is what THEY prefer a man have? And what about all those father's (non jews) who allow it?

Honestly, I never thought much about it - because Im a woman and dont have a son. I have brothers and they are (but we are not Jewish). I dont care if a guy is or isnt (not an important factor for me).


These are the stats from the OP's link:


Table 1: International circumcision rates Country Year Neonatal circumcisions (%)
United States 2003 55.9%* [30]
Canada 2003 < 14% [31]
Australia 2004 10%-20% [32]
New Zealand 1995 0-5%** [33]

en.wikipedia.org...


So it is STILL widely done here in America.

[edit on 1/28/2009 by greeneyedleo]


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:37 AM by Scurvy
reply to post by vonspurter



I may indeed be wrong, which is why I said "I would guess". It could very well have been Jews who came over that introduced it to N. America. I don't think Jews had a massive impact on the shaping of our continent though (not to my knowledge anyway), I cannot see why their practices should have been so widely adopted. I know that these days circumcision is common among many religious groups, I was born Roman Catholic and I know most of the males in that organization are circumsized, which is what led me to believe it was a custom that was brought here by pilgrims from Europe.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:38 AM by NatureBoy
reply to post by KOGDOG



no i don't think so, that's another great example of gods love of foreskins though thanks, i'm getting worried that Heaven is going to be a giant foreskin museum or something - know when you go round someone house and they start showing you there dead butterflys or stuffed moles? haha imagine if its god showing you all his foreskins!


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:38 AM by vonspurter
reply to post by TasteTheMagick



Well here we have the reason circumcision was was originally practiced in the US.

In cases of masturbation we must, I believe, break the habit by inducing such a condition of the parts as will cause too much local suffering to allow of the practice being continued. For this purpose, if the prepuce is long, we may circumcise the male patient with present and probably with future advantage; the operation, too, should not be performed under chloroform, so that the pain experienced may be associated with the habit we wish to eradicate.


A Short History of Circumcision in North America


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:40 AM by detachedindividual
reply to post by NatureBoy



I've had discussions about the sensitivity side of it before with others. One guy who was circumcised at a late age swore that it didn't change at all.

I fail to see how this is possible. It only makes sense that if a sensitive part of the body is unprotected, sensitivity will decrease.

A guitar player has sore fingers for the first few months of learning, and then the skin on the fingers becomes desensitized, accustomed to that friction.

I sincerely believe that those who are circumcised do not feel the same sensations the rest of us intact guys do, they cant simply through basic biology and common sense.

IMO, It's BS that it doesn't make any difference, everything says that it simply has to.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:41 AM by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by greeneyedleo



Well my guess, about why it continues, is probably because it's become a traditional thing, or it's so widespread that people continue to do it. I remember one of the doctors telling my mom that if she DIDN'T have it done to my brother he might face social issues later because his penis would be different than the other penises.(I wish that was a lie)


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:49 AM by Scurvy
reply to post by TasteTheMagick



Actually it's hilarious you posted that about suffering socially. I was never cut (thank you mom and dad!) but I was raised Roman Catholic, church and school, when I was about 10 I recall being at a Church social event and a bunch of the younger boys hanging around and someone mentioned something about circumcision. Me being ignorant about it at the time inquired as to what it was, I was ridiculed to the point where some of the boys told me I should just leave. At the time it was embarassing, now I look back and have to laugh at how nonsensical the whole situation was.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 11:00 AM by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Mynaeris



And what a holy and wondrous conversation it was!

TH3ON3:
I really REALLY have a hard time believing that pagans didn't believe that god existed. They just didn't believe that god existed in the way that people of the three "major religions" did and so their belief system was demonized. Organized religion as a whole, in my opinion, is ancient propaganda.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 11:11 AM by Ichabod
reply to post by Mynaeris



haha - pretty funny.

Of course, it was a one-sided conversation with God telling Abraham how its gonna be.

All the other stuff is our own implementation.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 11:12 AM by NatureBoy
reply to post by Mynaeris



haha now that's an angle i hadn't seen, maybe it started at the very start.
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