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Originally posted by Crabmeat
And of the Mohel practically sucking on a child penis...
First, in response to this, late me state, shame on you. Bringing something you know naught about. This portion of the procedure, you forgot to mention, is a sterilizing procedure. The Mohel engulfs in his mouth a cupful of blessed wine, and douses the open wound should it get infected. Secondly; there is absolutely nothing sexual about the procedure. The Mohel isn't aroused doing something very holy, and neither does the baby. Neither did your mother get aroused when she washed you in the nude, sometimes completely cupping your genitalia. Why disservice a Mohel's obligation to his community, and not a mothers obligation to her child?
Anyway, that was a very crumby thing for you to take a jab at. Don't judge a book by it's cover.
[edit on 1-2-2009 by Crabmeat]
Originally posted by Thistled
Originally posted by vonspurter
Well male humans are born with a foreskin so if you creationists believe we are created by God and then that God commands you to cut the foreskin off then it begs the question why did he create such a thing as a foreskin in the first place? Dumb God.
I wholeheartedly agree! Star.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
I've found a lot of the stuff in the O.T. - that God supposedly put down as law - really were just health things.
No shellfish. No pork. No foreskin. etc etc. Things that are actually healthier for the body somehow became 'God's Law'. - just an observation.
"Every male among you shall be circumcised. You shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between me and you" Gen17:10-11
Similarly with regard to circumcision, one of the reasons for it is, in my opinion, the wish to bring about a decrease in sexual intercourse and a weakening of the organ in question, so that this activity be diminished and the organ be in as quiet a state as possible. It has been thought that circumcision perfects what is defective congenitally. This gave the possibility to everyone to raise an objection and to say: How can natural things be defective so that they need to be perfected from outside, all the more because we know how useful the foreskin is for that member? In fact this commandment has not been prescribed with a view to perfecting what is defective congenitally, but to perfecting what is defective morally. The bodily pain caused to that member is the real purpose of circumcision. None of the activities necessary for the preservation of the individual is harmed thereby, nor is procreation rendered impossible, but violent concupiscence and lust that goes beyond what is needed are diminished. The fact that circumcision weakens the faculty of sexual excitement and sometimes perhaps diminishes the pleasure is indubitable. For if at birth this member has been made to bleed and has had its covering taken away from it, it must indubitably be weakened. The Sages, may their memory be blessed, have explicitly stated: It is hard for a woman with whom an uncircumcised man has had sexual intercourse to separate from him. In my opinion this is the strongest of the reasons for circumcision.
Originally posted by RFBurns
Its a pagan tradition...ancient practice. Something that man came up with, not God.
Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic
Circumcision is ancient medicine
Back in the days before modern medicine, people still suffered from fungi infections down below the belt. The story goes that Abraham couldn't get any children with his wife. Then he meets God who solves the problem by cutting off Abraham's foreskin. And that's what happened. God treated Abraham for smegma and fungus. Must have had an awful smell.