Islam: An intolerant, inconsistent fallacy, page 2


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reply posted on 13-4-2004 @ 11:16 AM by Leveller
It's lovely to see how the apologists for modern day Islam will try to divert attention from the issues of today by pointing to Jewish and Christian atrocities that occured centuries and even millenia ago.

I've lost count of the number of times I've seen someone post a reference to the Crusades as a smokescreen defense to the atrocities committed in modern day Islam. Not only is this a totally irrelevant argument, but it's almost always made by a person who doesn't actually know a thing about the Crusades.

This thread is about the intolerance in modern day Islam. It's not about Christianity. It's not about Judaism.

The conspiracy comes when those who feel the need to defend the indefensible do so by throwing accusations at other religions that have nothing whatsoever to do with this topic. Two wrongs don't make a right. And when those two wrongs aren't even connected all the defendant is doing is making his own faith in his own religion look like it is based on hatred.

Now, for those defending Islam here, I am a neutral observer as far as religion is concerned. I have time for none of yours or anyone else's tribal god or your man-made faiths. The intolerance within religion is pertinent to my existence on this planet though. Your religions directly affect my life.

So I would like an answer to the statements posted by Solarix at the beginning of this thread. Refute the argument that concerns your religion without denigrating other religions that have no bearing on this topic. If you want to discuss the intolerance within Christianity go do so within another thread.


reply posted on 13-4-2004 @ 11:29 AM by worldwatcher
I find this thread to be an ignorant attempt of generalizing an entire religion. You may not want to accept the comparison to Christianity and Judaism but they are there. Mistreatment of Women is not only an Islamic religious doctrine. The status of women in society has always been lower to men in all religions, the 3 mentioned above and others such as Hinduism. Women were always considered second to man, and a woman's humility in being modest and covering her body and respecting her man is not uncommon around the world. I suggest those of you who are ignorant in Islam, read the Koran completely before making broad statements. You will find that it is a book just like the torah, and bible used by men for their motives.

try reading this for a start: maybe you will understand the position of women in islam a little better.
Women In Islam

regarding Mohammed marrying a 10 year old girl...do your history research, you will see in all cultures during ancient times, girls were married at very young ages....and because someone was married did not mean they were sexually involved.. my grandmother was married at the age of 12, she was living with her husband and his family from that age, however she did not "know" her husband in "that" way until she was 16. I repeat again, this practice was and is common in many cultures, please don't bring this argument up again...there are many other issues in the Koran to choose from.

[Edited on 4-13-2004 by worldwatcher]


reply posted on 13-4-2004 @ 12:33 PM by American Mad Man
Originally posted by worldwatcher
Originally posted by Leveller
It is totally right if that religion affects my life in a detrimental way.
The same goes for Christianity and Judaism.


that maybe true, but this isn't a thread about all religions and their "questionable" doctrines is it? NO it's a thread promoting ignorance on a singular religion. How does the mistreatment of women in Arab countries affect your life here in the USA, where women are free to practically walk around butt naked????

If it is just the mistreatment of women that you are against...again it is not only Islam that has these views, look around the world, all the tribal people, even in China and India where women are second class to men.


IMO, this thread does nothing to promote ignorance - if anything it is DENYING IGNORANCE. Like this place is supposed to. The fact is that Islam IS the most represive. The FACT is that Islam IS the only one to promote TERRORISM! Name one Christian or Jewish sect that promotes death of ANY KIND IN THE MODERN ERA. You can't! The FACT is that Islam is used by many people to justify the unjustifiable.

I believe that Islam hit me preatty hard when I saw a bunch of Islamic practicing people on CNN CHEERING when they found out about 9/11. If something like that had happened in the Middle East, would the Christian world stand in applause? NO! The first thing that would have been done would be to organize some kind of relief fund!

As far as their women go, it concerns me that they can be stoned to death on an accusation! Yes, women elsewhere are mistreated - but who do you think stands out as being BY FAR the most ill treated? I'll give you one guess.

Why can't people just realize that THE WAY ISLAM IS PRACTICED IN THE MIDDLE EAST IS BACKWARDS AND BARBARIC! PERIOD! It does not mean that Islam it's self is bad, but it's evolution in it's followers over there is!



reply posted on 14-4-2004 @ 02:13 AM by xone
Some of you are painting with very broad strokes and are borderline bigots. You talk about Islam as if it is this homogenous unit, us vs. them. Islam is very diverse just as Christianity is and you have different sects and different perspectives. Unfortunately at least in most Arab countries, control has been seized by the most extreme, fundamentalist factions who could care less about the Koran and are simply using Islam as a political tool to oppress and control the people, the country (and most importantly the oil $$$). However, by talking about "them" you ignore many moderate Muslims in the U.S., Turkey and all around the world.

Also as someone else stated earlier, if you read the Koran (which I have), it is not much different than the Old Testament of the Bible. People usually pick out certain versus to support their idea that Islam is violent or barbaric but if you read the whole thing it is pretty clear that this is not the case. Islam as practiced is very oppressive to women, but that is a cultural thing more than a religious dogma. We must remember that it is only recently that the status of women in "the west" has been elevated and some christian churches still won't allow women to become preachers or pastors.

Yes terrorists are dispicable, yes the Islamic governments are opressive, and yes many Islamic people have bought into the extremeist rhetoric and are ignorant to the fact that their real enemy is not America but their own corrupt governments. But Islam the religion is not to blame as it is practiced peacefully by millions around the world, its just the extremist get all the attention. Christianity at different points has been used to justify horrible attrocities and institutions in (slavery, mass killings and persecution of so-called heretics, anti-semitism ect.). However the fact that the majority of American slaveholder were Christian does not refelect what Christianity is about, but rather the political and cultural landscape at that time. The same is true of Islam. All the problems mentioned in this thread do not reflect on the religion but rather on the political and cultural landscape that Islam is currently operating in.

This is my first post by the way . I am agnostic and like to look at all religions as objectively as possible, and see a lot more similiarities than differences especially in the big three (In theory, If not in practice).


reply posted on 14-4-2004 @ 02:59 AM by paperclip
Originally posted by American Mad Man


It is Islam Countries that have oil as almost their only Indutries. It is Islam that has the highest birth rates on the planet. It is Islam that has a mortal enemy, the hate of which it will not let go of. It is Islam that is expanding in all parts of the world. It is Islam that thinks I'm the Infidel. It is Islam that has no respect for what I might choose to worship. This is how it affects me and why I am concerned. Though I hold most religions in equal contempt, Islam is the very dangerous one right now and is worth disscussing.

Well said

Islam is slowly taking over Europe. I have heard that when England joined the EU, they were swarmed by Illegals from other countries. How will all the white Christians feel in 35 years when they are being killed by a bunch of holy war Islamic people? Being over here in the wild west (AKA - land of the free, home of the brave - good ol' USA) We don't see that imigration as much - our problem is with mainly Mexicans.

But you know what - at least they are Christian, and won't be killing me for practicing something different then them. At worst, they form gangs in ghettos like EVERY imigrant population does when they first arive. But I feel for you European Christians - your in the middle of the Genisis of a holy war, your about to be outnumbered, and for the most part you are all oblivious to it.



Holy # , dude. White christians? outnumbered?
Ok, everyone, if you dont see it, replace Islam/Muslim with "'n-word'" and you'll see how ignorant and racist these statements are... I am speechless....
Man, and you talk about ignorant muslims...
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