Originally posted by NatureBoy
Again fine words, i am not fool enough to think the world is black and white, i am very much in the grey -i have no illusion of glory, i don't think
myself a prophet either.
You state that i should try to find my own truth in the bible and follow your special reading of passages but yet you ignore the quotes from the bible
which quite clearly tell me not to do that, why is this?
Really? Which ones tell you not to do so?
7Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
When i speak of 'black and white' i speak of the written word, the bible was scribed by god and is holy OR it's the work of savages who didn't
have the advantage of our scientific knowledge or rational reasoning and is worthless, do you say i should not trust god? If the words of the bible
are lies, if goes didn't inspire it's perfection then what is is but a book of nonsence?
Actually, the bible was written by men. They are called scribes. Also, you do not even need the bible to learn, and IMO you can't actually see the
truth in the bible without the holy spirit. The holy spirit btw doesn't need the bible to teach you either. You are using physical replacements
for spiritual things.
Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with science, it does not disagree with the bible. The disagreements come between people in Science who do not
understand consciousness, and from people in Religion who do not understand consciousness. Science is great for explaining the universe in a way
that we can work with. It however doesn't understand consciousness or god, because consciousness and the father are beyond any logic.
Consciousness and the father creates the logic scientists look at. Creation is based off logic. There is no logic that can bring you about to
understanding the father, and the same is true of consciousness(soul).
The words of the bible aren't lies. Jesus speaks the truth, it is the literal interpretation that is a lie. This is the same thing the pharisees
did during the time of Jesus. They did not actually understand how to follow what was written, but they could recite the words and had them
memorized better than anyone. This is the equivalent of someone who can memorize 1+1=2 as truth, and someone who can actually add. Jesus could
add and showed people how to add, not just memorization of words.
By ignoring the text of the bible you are turning your back on the god who killed the sodomites, the god who killed jobs children and took away his
wealth, the god who's anger could only be suppressed by killing his son, the god very god who threw man from paradise! You think this man is not
your god? You deny his doings, his writings? How could you deny his works but yet live by rules you presumably don't think he wrote?
I deny that you have any clue about the father. You in this paragraph alone show that you lack any understanding. That you would even say such
things about the father is the outrage. As if the morals of the father are so low, that even the worse parents are on his level. If you for 1
second believe that the death of Jesus was done for gods anger is just a plain out lie. Let me school you a bit.
God gave man the commandments. Man did not understand how to follow them. God wanted the world to see and understand the truth. So he sent Jesus
to give us an example of how to actually follow the commandments correctly. He fulfills the law in order to show you how to fulfill the law. He did
this despite knowing the world was evil and that Jesus would be killed for it. Those who view Jesus in the way you do see Jesus as a sacrifice of
truth so that the lie of this world could live. This is the Satanic view of sacrifice, and is paid tribute in the cross to the Christian god, Satan
- the one who lives on the lie and deception. For you to even attribute such qualities to the father is an insult.
How can you lecture me about god when you don't believe his words?
Because I know the father. I was shown the truth outside the bible. I don't even have to be here. The father does not give to you as this world
does. He gives you understanding and wisdom. The things that are rich in his eyes. The entire way of Christian worship is what man wants, not the
father. If the father wanted you to be as such, then you would be doing it without choice. The fathers will is for you to be wise. That is why
you have eaten from the tree of knowledge. Knowledge and experience allow for wisdom, which is to make good choices based on the knowledge and
Tell me, what is left of god if the bible is lies? How would i know god doesn't sit silent in the sky watching, hoping that we nuke ourselves? maybe
he created us just to watch us suffer and die? Maybe he is a sick and twisted lord who delights at the suffering of his creations -if his book is a
lie, he could be anything.
The father is within you. Because you look in creation for the father, you are blind. It is the equivalent of trying to find Bill Gates in
your Windows OS. What you express to me is that you are full of fear. And that is not what the father wants. Fear is what Satan wants. The
father only asks for respect.
As Jesus says, you must seek and search for answers and truth. If you take the bible for it's word and substitute it for the "word of god", then
you are only accepting it. When you accept, then you only know 1+1=2 by the memorization from accepting it. When you seek and knock, then actually
understand why 1+1=2, why Jesus is telling the truth, why he did what he did, and you can then add for yourself. Quit accepting and seek.
[edit on 29-1-2009 by badmedia]