Must-See - Ron Paul SCHOOLS MSNBC 1/27/09

Actually he did give solid answers like he has always done.
What would he do.

1)Cut spending by drawing back the American Empire, he would close almost all foreign bases, and bring almost all the troops home. He would scale back the American military. The simple fact America is going broke trying to police the world and it doesn't need to in the 21 century anyway. This would save billions.

2)He would let the economic system follow a natural course, let the debt liquidate itself, and if there are assets they will be bought up by the survivors.
Here is the conflict, short term intense economic pain verses a patch up job that prolongs what is going to happen anyway, so this stimulus package goes in.
After that money runs out, we are right back to where we were before.

3)Stop the federal reserve from inflating, and creating money out of thin air.

It's economic house of cards, and it's going to crash sooner or later, Ron Paul is just saying let it happen now way push it off onto our kids or
grandkids.

American debt is crazy
en.wikipedia.org...
www.brillig.com...

This is a debt that can never be repaid, what is the interest on 10 Trillion can they even pay that every year. Less people working means less taxs to pay it.



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I know it in my guts that the USA is bound to fall from power soon and i keep telling people that but people keep trying to tell me that the only way that the nation will fall is that the people rise up to overthrow the government. WRONG! Greed is like a virus that eats away at the foundations of our country. Many countries of the past have faced this and have fallen because of it and now our country is facing it. I also know that when the country falls that it break up into groups. The only question now is are you ready?

Ron Paul is a very smart man has many good ideas but doesn't have common since to really do anything good cause he can't put it together. If he was the right hand man to the right person as a team I think they would be great. When I say that Im not putting him down Im just saying he needs more direction and needs to work problems all the way through instead of his get rid of it additude. His answer to anything is just get rid of it but theres a purpose for why its there in the first place. If the roots of a tree are the problem cutting the tree down doesn't change anything unless you get rid of the roots. and if you believe closing down fort knox and handing out gold bullion to people and going back to a barter system would work. Hate to tell ya but theres not enough gold to go around. And when you start this bartering food is going to cost you more than you could ever imagine when those poor farmers get there chance to play food tycoon like all those oil barons did with oil. Don't forget he would get rid of all those pesky federal goverment agencies that stop people from damanding outrageious prices for simple things of life. And a lot of people don't have options of starting a little farm to feed themselfs.

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"I dont think Ron Paul has ever gave an answer on how to fix anything. He will tell you whats wrong with it why its bad and says let it go belly up."

Letting it go belly up IS the solution. That's what has to happen.

RON PAUL!!!




gosh he's great... wonder if he is a lightworker in the 4th dimension?




nonetheless, he is without a doubt, 100% right in his virtues, mottos.. and practically every single thing he says (minus the mistaken pronunciation of Bin Laden's first name--Obama).

If we choose that moral path however.. which is the just and moral path to choose... we will have the ultimate rebirth and re-building to start...



TIMES OF CHANGE!!!LIVE EVERY DAY TO ITS FULLEST!

Originally posted by JBA2848
His answer to anything is just get rid of it but theres a purpose for why its there in the first place.

Actually -- there is a reason why "it" wasn't there in the first place. Hate to say it, but your the one that seems to lack direction in this subject.
Ron Paul is an strict constitutionalist. He believes if we stick to the constitution, things will work out. He's correct. If the founding fathers were here today, I bet they'd agree with Ron Paul.

Pretty much any problems with America today, when it comes to economics and foreign policy, exist because greedy politicians with self interests didn't stay true to the constitution. The people let that happen for too long, and now the people will have to suffer for it -- either way.

Cause and effect, there is no easy way around it.

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"Ron Paul is a very smart man has many good ideas but doesn't have common since to really do anything good cause he can't put it together."

Ok, common sense would have told you to stop posting when everyone pointed out that you missed the entire solution. It has to fail, sorry no other way around it.

"Im just saying he needs more direction and needs to work problems all the way through instead of his get rid of it additude."

I hate to tell you this but it isn't a get rid of it attitude, it's just get rid of it. Every single time they pump money into these failing businesses they are prolonging the eventual collapse and are actually making in into a larger depression when it does happen, not to mention TAX PAYERS FOOT THE BILL.

You made a good point about having to cut the tree at the roots, that's exactly what he is saying has to happen. The business isn't well, then let it fail. Trimming a few branches and giving them some money isn't going to make it any better.

IF you want to know how Dr. Paul would fix the problem ----

READ his Manifesto-

in it he clearly outlines the way forward and out of this mess, which is quite opposite of what the gov is doing now.

He wasnt on that show to outline his plan to fix it, hes not the PRES remember?

He is on to tell people that the gov is not working for the people anymore, and they are doing what they KNOW will only hurt us worse, and if they dont actually know, then they are incompetent and should not be in office anymore.

That's why they call it the R(love)ution!

He's not our leader (yet) so there is no point in outlining what he would do in some 10 minute show. It is a complex, awesome process.

READ his WORK if you want to know.

Hint: it has to do with getting rid of central banks and debt based society.

I love the part when he says "the govt. takes money out of a productive source and uses it in unproductive manners"

it's just so true

Ummm, despite my personal interest in RP and his ideas, and although his policy of forced "let the market decide" (ie massive failures and economic disruptions) would certainly destroy the plans of the insect overlords, it would not "fix" anything as the rest of the country is too lazy to take real responsibility for themselves. Wishful thinking by competent people does not make other people capable of doing what needs to be done. Thus the infrastructure disappears and all you have are a collection of nostalgic memories of the USA.

In other words, this can't be "fixed". Time to recognize that and start over with new rules that accommodate the lack of interest by differentiation of participation at the rights level. Head down or in the sand gets you no voting rights. Studies have long documented that value is determined by cost and when something is given freely, there is often no value. Same with freedom.

If there was a better way than regulations to keep dishonest people honest, I'd welcome that surely - but historical records inform us all that the amount of damage done before a market correction can eliminate the misdeeds and dishonest folk is generally unacceptable and that's where libertarian / laissez-faire markets are flawed. Ron Paul even admits as much near the end.

Did you notice how stupid these TV people are?? ..Well, not stupid, very cleverly obfuscating, really. They seem so shrill and desperate to be relevant in the face of RP's wisdom.

RP is like the good devil, sitting there grinning. His look says:

"I could do this allll day."


But notice how the talking heads there have to load the questions? He offhandedly says "In my perfect world" and then they fling that phrase back at him mockingly. Also the attach certain subconscious absurdities to RP's 'perfect world' like uh, robots and them two sitting on the beach?

I think what RP did not say is this: "You two can get real jobs and maybe wash dishes."

And also the simple guy, whose question is valid: "What about the roads and bridges?

Now my answer would be this: ...Roads and bridges get built for different reasons, and paid for in different ways. Also there are anciallary issues like pension funds for road crews and county lines and budgets, etc, etc. So while the question is valid, we can see the actual factual truth which is TV DON'T WANT YOU THINKIN TOO MUCH because these questions require more than ten seconds to discuss.

Those simple questions are surely valid enough for Obama to have a national live call-in about the potholes and roads and bridges --but no, it's left for RP to explain the issue in a ten second soundbyte?

Does the one TV guy actually feel that 'robots' serving him on the beach, is his ideal future? He would then become himself, fully realized? What amazing self image these people cultivate, eh?

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Osama Is Mocking U.S. Economy


Even in the above video he states the same thing
But im guessing you will again want a more complicated answer

Originally posted by ModernAcademiaEven in the above video he states the same thing But im guessing you will again want a more complicated answer

Not sure who this was to, but I think the answer is not simple.

Does Dr. Paul tell us what he knows about congress? No, of course not, because he is smart, alive, and allowed to say what he wants. But what he does know, is that disentangling the US from international and narcotic financial traffic, would be exceedingly difficult without 'withdrawl' in the form of mass unemployment in the US. All the experts of his form, are good at describing what is wrong, but how high will the speedbump be, and have we been steered toward the speedbump?

I am happy to read deeper in this man's words and see what he is not allowed to say, on TV. Other congresspeople have been honest and haven't gotten airtime, yes? RP seems to be wise and cagy, like a doctor who understands a leg needs to be amputated but he's saying "This won't hurt too much..." I sense the fear in the TV people is real as they ask him questions.

Great thread, these embedded youtube vids make it a different world.

Originally posted by JBA2848
I dont think Ron Paul has ever gave an answer on how to fix anything. He will tell you whats wrong with it why its bad and says let it go belly up. Well I would hate to see him in office cause he would sit bsck and watch every thing go to hell and belly up and say they were bad things all the way to the revolution when people take the government back from him. Hes good at pointing whats bad whats wrong with something but never has an answer except hold on to a gold bar and your ok. A gold bar is hard to eat when your suffering through a depression unemployed and the US is in chaos.

How many times does he have to say it in one sitting alone? Let the market correct itself, get rid of taxes, dissolve the IRS and Federal Reserve, quit oversees spending, put a hault to U.S. imperialism, and use the money from that MASSIVE useless, horribly spent money on THE PEOPLE! Our roads, our actual national defense.

It's been a long time since he's had children, so there's no sippy cups lying around for him to give you. We're all adults. He probably might even expect us to act like it.

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I agree with most of Paul's positions (95%), but I can see where JBA is coming from. And a lot of what the MSM says, for that matter. Yes, go on about how they're plebian-hating loons. Flame me too if it makes you feel better. But you're not denying your own ignorance.

Economics is psychology with money.

To make a quick and dirty analogy, where a free-market system is a healthy psyche and everyone functions normally in their best interests, government interference is a dysfunction.

It's like the pill we trust more with our lives than counseling or other forms of support. It's the quick fix.

It's so sad that many of you say that "it won't be easy" and yet you too fail to grasp what it is free market detractors are saying. It simply isn't feasible to quit our current way of doing business without a protracted phase-in.

Okay, sure. Let's say this were a dictatorship and we could get away with EVERYTHING we wanted to and begin fixing the economy by banning the government from interfering. Even then, like JBA said, what are the hungry people caught in the undertow to do? They don't see "evil bankers" "thieving stockbrokers" etc anymore. You've pulled out their scapegoat. In short: they revolt.

Next thing you know, you're looking at the same problem again, albeit on a greater - socialist scale. You're not fixing the ROOT of the problem.

I'll say it again: we've been programmed for years. The drug metaphor is still apt. You can't withdraw immediately, as almost any doctor will tell you. The collective will of the people is just not that resistant. They do not SEE the long-term benefits. All they will see is suffering and relying on faith. Faith that will be rewarded if they wait, but we're so hooked on instant gratification these days that even patience is hardly ever a desirable choice.

So you can rationalize it all away with logic all you want. But you glide off and miss the target. The sensible solution is not always the one of the best numbers. You have to make the people SEE the solution, realize their sacrifices, and with the way libertarian education has been going, this will simply not work.

This is the true answer we need right now. And we're still waiting.

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Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
I love how at the end of it, they still made Obama out to be a hero even though agreed with Ron Paul that Obama's policies were wrong.

Sickening isn't it?

MSNBC Mika is a shrew. I really can't stand her.

Ron Paul was spot on for EVERYTHING. And I loved how he pointed out that a consumption tax (user tax) was wrong. Cut spending and you don't need to tax people to death. It's brilliant in it's simplicity.

Unfortunately, we are going in the opposite direction - and FAST.

I wonder if that was a freudian slip - referring to Bin Laden as Obama or perhaps an NLP subliminal. I'm sorry but Ron Paul's willingness to accept 20% unemployment to "fix the problem" is a failure. According to him, the ends would justify the means, and it is a classic example of the Libertarian way of thinking: "my ass before yours." True, it is not his fault we're in the mess, and we should blame the people who are responsible, but come on - no government spending, not even on POTHOLES? I admit, Ron Paul spinning that question around and reminding us of the war was pretty slick. Either way, starred and flagged - more people should see this.

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Ron Paul is a National Treasure! Its to bad that the one honest person running for Pres did not get elected. Oh well get ready for this so called "Change".

Originally posted by IlluminatiKarate
I wonder if that was a freudian slip - referring to Bin Laden as Obama or perhaps an NLP subliminal

. I'm sorry but Ron Paul's willingness to accept 20% unemployment to "fix the problem" is a failure. According to him, the ends would justify the means, and it is a classic example of the Libertarian way of thinking: "my ass before yours." True, it is not his fault we're in the mess, and we should blame the people who are responsible, but come on - no government spending, not even on POTHOLES? I admit, Ron Paul spinning that question around and reminding us of the war was pretty slick. Either way, starred and flagged - more people should see this.

Ron Paul addresses the causes of the problem, not the symptoms. You are asking for NyQuil to help with the symptoms when you are unwilling to accept what it will take to get rid of the causes. Everyone else is just trying to be NyQuil.

The cause is a debt based system where the people can never be out of debt. And if you are not willing to address it, then you will forever deal with the symptoms and look for new solutions to the same symptoms, while allowing the sickness to grow.

As well, he hardly takes the libertarian hard line as you claim. In fact, that is one of the things I liked most about him over the traditional libertarian view. Yes, Libertarian views are the goal. But he realizes you can't just do that overnight and talks about ways of working towards those goals with the least amount of shock possible. He understands people rely on the government, and that is why he talks about stopping the spending overseas first and spending more here and on our infrastructure.

If you think he and it sounds bad now, just wait a while longer. Because it's going to get worse the way it's going. Just like if you are sick and don't treat it, it also gets worse.

Originally posted by IlluminatiKarate
I'm sorry but Ron Paul's willingness to accept 20% unemployment to "fix the problem" is a failure.

it's better to have a recession than a depression
20% unemployement for a short while is better than 50% unemployement for 10yrs to put it simply.

let the bubble burst now, not after
you guys aren't getting it yet it's so simple

you just want a quick fix but there's no such thing with this deficit
bandaid solutions not only just delay the inevitable, it also expands the wound