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Originally posted by cal7man
reply to post by noangels
where is your proof of the so called lies??
no WMD'S, you sound like a scratched record, or a warped cd, you can shout until blue in the face but i saw this all first-hand,
have you ever served the coalition forces?? me and my friends did in desert shield and storm, no lies about why we did it!!!
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Originally posted by Angus123
Originally posted by ky
It's all as plain as day. Have you not been paying attention or is it your job to stand on the corner and shout "nothing to see here?"
And guess what, we haven't been attacked since 911. You do remember 911, right?
Of course I do. That was the day Bin Laden struck inside the U.S. just like the PDB given to Bush a month earlier said he was going to and Bush blew it off and went on vacation.
Oh, so it was Osama bin Laden and 19 cave-dwellers who were responsible for 9/11?
That's odd. The FBI says, “There's no hard evidence connecting Osama Bin Laden to 9/11.”
So if there's no evidence connecting bin Laden to 9/11, I wonder where the evidence leads?
Of course I do. That was the day Bin Laden struck inside the U.S. just like the PDB given to Bush a month earlier said he was going to and Bush blew it off and went on vacation. He was quite the protector. Well... unless you count the 3000+ people that died that particular day.
Originally posted by ky
Of course I do. That was the day Bin Laden struck inside the U.S. just like the PDB given to Bush a month earlier said he was going to and Bush blew it off and went on vacation. He was quite the protector. Well... unless you count the 3000+ people that died that particular day.
This post just cracks me up. And it proves something very important. You complain about Bush's tactics throughout this WAR (i.e. his aggression) but at the same time he didn't do enough to prevent 911. So what's it going to be? Sit back and do nothing or take the fight to them? Which of these two choices would make you less angry?
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
reply to post by RRconservative
"LIBERATING" 50 Million people? More like DISPLACING 50 million people, and murdering tens of thousands.
On top of what a FARCE this invasion was, based on nothing but LIES, the authorization of TORTURE is a WAR CRIME--Period.
Looking at this debacle with rose-colored glasses will not wipe that fact away, no matter how anyone tries to spin the Iraq fiasco.
[edit on 27-1-2009 by DimensionalDetective]
Originally posted by ky
Oh and the only thing I fawn over when talking about Bush is how we have not been attacked since. And that would include at least 9 planned attacks thwarted due to waterboarding.
Originally posted by BlueRaja
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
That's your evidence? Those sources are pretty weak. You might want to take about 10 seconds or less to do a fact check.
www.fbi.gov...
(check the top right corner)
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
Originally posted by BlueRaja
Originally posted by GoldenFleece
That's your evidence? Those sources are pretty weak. You might want to take about 10 seconds or less to do a fact check.
www.fbi.gov...
(check the top right corner)
OK, Mr. Fact Check -- I spent the 10 seconds.
Show me where Osama bin Laden is wanted for 9/11.
Maybe YOU should check your own "facts."
Building No. 6:
U.S. Customs Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau Occupational Safety and Health Administration Department of Labor -- Pension and Welfare Benefits Administration Department of Commerce -- Foreign Commercial Service Export-Import Bank
Building No. 7:
IRS U.S. Secret Service Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Defense Department Securities and Exchange Commission
Originally posted by BlueRaja
If you read what is on that poster it says-
ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH
IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
In the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings (August 7, 1998), hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous car bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the East African capital cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi, Kenya. The attacks, linked to local members of the al Qaeda terrorist network headed by Osama bin Laden, brought bin Laden and al Qaeda to international attention for the first time, and resulted in the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation placing bin Laden on its Ten Most Wanted list.
Originally posted by BlueRaja
If you check to see what Federal Facilities happened to be in the WTC, you'd see-
www.govexec.com...
Building No. 7:
IRS U.S. Secret Service Equal Employment Opportunity Commission Defense Department Securities and Exchange Commission
MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH
USAMA BIN LADEN IS WANTED IN CONNECTION WITH THE AUGUST 7, 1998, BOMBINGS OF THE UNITED STATES EMBASSIES IN DAR ES SALAAM, TANZANIA, AND NAIROBI, KENYA. THESE ATTACKS KILLED OVER 200 PEOPLE. IN ADDITION, BIN LADEN IS A SUSPECT IN OTHER TERRORIST ATTACKS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD.
Originally posted by ky You complain about Bush's tactics throughout this WAR (i.e. his aggression) but at the same time he didn't do enough to prevent 911. So what's it going to be? Sit back and do nothing or take the fight to them?
FBI Thwarted the locally recruited terrorist cell the “Lackawanna 6” by the capture of Juma al-Dosari in Afghanistan and subsequent interrogation while imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
On February 6, 2008, the CIA director General Michael Hayden stated that the CIA had used waterboarding on three prisoners during 2002 and 2003, namely Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, Abu Zubayda and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.
President Obama's plans to expeditiously determine the fates of about 245 terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and quickly close the military prison there were set back last week when incoming legal and national security officials -- barred until the inauguration from examining classified material on the detainees -- discovered that there were no comprehensive case files on many of them.
Instead, they found that information on individual prisoners is "scattered throughout the executive branch," a senior administration official said.
Several former Bush administration officials agreed that the files are incomplete and that no single government entity was charged with pulling together all the facts and the range of options for each prisoner. They said that the CIA and other intelligence agencies were reluctant to share information, and that the Bush administration's focus on detention and interrogation made preparation of viable prosecutions a far lower priority. - source
Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
LOL, where's everybody at?
I thought for sure people would be up in arms over this?
Anybody disagree? Agree?
I say if Obama and Biden continue on with the "we're moving forward" and let this past admin get away with their crimes, then they are no better than them, and that sets a precident that says breaking the law is A-okay.
I wonder if any of us broke the law, if our lawyer could just come into the court and say, "That's in the past, we're moving forward your honor."
Does that show respect for the rule of law (which the Bush admin trashed)?
I think not.