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Congress Seeks To Authorize & Legalize FEMA Camp Facilities

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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:20 PM
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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Okay, I'll bite...

i) Yes it is. That's why it's called Above Top Secret.
ii) Perhaps. At least you acknowledge those offering antithesis can also be close minded.
iii) It's not a secret, I do want it to happen.
iv) I don't believe I am.
v) It's my own basement, not my mother's.
vi) Never played it.
vii) Yes I do thank you. She's wonderful.
viii) Yes I do thank you. She's wonderful too.
ix) I supported no teams at school, rival or otherwise.
x) Ski-jacket, no trench-coat.
xi) If I assimilated with the mainstream I'd spend all day dumbly nodding in agreement.
xii) Does a super-soaker and BB gun constitute an "arsenal"?
xiii) Never seen Red Dawn.
xiv) Not let it consume you? 33% of posts (and the most recent 33%) on this thread.
xv) Content, although I do get a bit pedantic with people who make the effort with a post and then utterly fail to check their spelling.
xvi) Yes, I am quite possibly a hypocrite. A happy one though.

Hopefully this is enough food for you to retire under the bridge and leave the goats in peace. I suspect most of them have already placed you on ignore.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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wtf in hell is this a blueprint of? hurry post it, i have only 13 minutes left on this puter.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by RFBurns
... As I have stated more than once..these so called camps are simply for emergency uses where natural disasters displace people from their homes. It is so that people have a place to go instead of piling up in a football stadium or pack in like sardines at hotels and place burdens on other cities.

I really wish these doom and gloom types would stop their nonsense and simply do the research.


We do do the research. It takes more research to prove what the CT's are saying than to back up what you have interpreted at face value from the bill's wording.


Originally posted by RFBurns
Once again, wording can be very misleading, as it is in that external quote above. The use of the word "detention" in front of facilities is an example of media manipulation, and is the very core of the problem with assuming something is, when it is clearly not...as indicated below.....

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It does NOT, anywhere in any of the linked documentation, say that these facilities will be used to round up American citizens and treat American citizens like prisoners. ...

I for one would like to see just 1 piece of evidence where any of this documentation...OFFICIAL documentation, not some quote or paragraph from a doom and gloom website or blog, that says these facilites are intended to round up American citizens from their homes in the middle of the night to imprison them.

Anyone....ANYONE..please provide that evidence.


Maybe it's not in that documentation, but those plans and agencies are linked to other plans and agencies. How about this for a start?

Rep. Henry Gonzalez talks about camps

At the end of the above video from the Iran-Contra hearings, he says in an interview, "the truth is yes -- you do have these standby provisions, and the plans are here ... whereby you could, in the name of stopping terrorism ... evoke the military and arrest Americans and put them in detention camps."

He used the dreaded word you said has not been used - "detention". Detention, internment, concentration - all the same. I don't know if this wording is in the Congressional record itself, but the hearings brought a lot of attention to the camps issue.


Originally posted by RFBurns
...Doesnt anyone get it yet? After Katrina, everyone was crying foul and how badly the government and FEMA handled the disaster. Well apparently government and FEMA listened, and are doing something about it to prevent another disaster on top of a disaster.

Its so easy for people to slap a label on something and declare it a prison camp, but yet it is even more easy to simply look up the facts and see that the government and FEMA is actually trying to do something for the public in cases of disaster.


It seems, from the way Katrina was handled, that that was a practice run for martial law. They were treated like inmates, not like displaced persons. I read and viewed (on eyewitness videos) about how supplies were turned down and people were not given everything they needed. That was bad enough, but the martial law stuff is what is an even bigger concern to me. And zippy1706 pointed out on this thread that FEMA separated some families across states, which doesn't sound like anything remotely "helping out", as far as I'm concerned.

These "facilities" can be used for anything DHS deems necessary. Well, if DHS can deem anyone an "enemy combatant", then anyone can be put into these facilities if they get used for people labeled as such. Did you not read about the mass arrests of innocent and/or peaceful people at the RNC protests in September? Cops were arbitrarily making up charges on the spot. And we're supposed to trust the system?

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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:41 PM
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thanks Nirgal. he's something else and i believe he was looking into a mirrow while he was typing of that crap. ck his profile




posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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Civilian Internment Facility

FM 3-19.40 MILITARY POLICE INTERNMENT/RESETTLEMENT OPERATIONS


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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by YoungStalin
FEMA camp - well, there is enough information on them here so I'm not going to rehash it in this post. Boxcars I'm not sure of.






There are the trains - a pic


FEMA ordered 107,200 'AutoMax' prison cars from Gunderson Steel modified from original FEMA design to carry automobiles. They apparently wanted people to become accustomed to seeing these railcars so they would just think they were hauling autos.




Following the Halliburton subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg Brown and Root) announcement on Jan. 24 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps, two weeks later, on Feb. 6, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that the Fiscal Year 2007 federal budget would allocate over $400 million to add 6,700 additional detention beds (an increase of 32 percent over 2006. What is interesting in the Homeland Security plan is that each concrete prison bed costs $60,000 per bed! Observing these concentration camps and general jail and prison facilities throughout the U.S., the Homeland Security plan is clearly buffered to build significantly more than 6,700 additional beds.


all the above is from link: www.libertyforlife.com...

A little more info, from Homeland Security:


The Homeland Security $400 million allocation is more than a four-fold increase over the FY 2006 budget, which provided $90 million for the same purpose. Both the contract and the budget allocation are in partial fulfillment of an ambitious 10-year Homeland Security strategic plan, code-named ENDGAME, authorized in 2003. According to a 49-page Homeland Security document on the plan, ENDGAME expands "a mission first articulated in the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798." Its goal is the capability to "remove all removable aliens," including "illegal economic migrants, aliens who have committed criminal acts, asylum-seekers (required to be retained by law) or potential terrorists." The government's definition of an enemy combatant covers almost any individual who promotes the rudimentary rights guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

Readiness Exercise 1984 - Rex 84
Rex 84 is a United States federal government program to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens. Exercises similar to Rex 84 happen periodically. From 1967 to 1971 the FBI kept a list of persons to be rounded up as subversive, dubbed the "ADEX" list.

Texas Congressman Henry Gonzales revealed many years ago plans of Rex 84 which former colonel Ollie North helped design. The late Representative Jack Brooks also of Texas brought this concentration camp and internment program as well as the Continuity of Government Program to light during the Iran Contra hearing. The chairman refused to let North even talk about them in open hearings under “National Security.” Mr. Gonzales stated these camps and plans were for the detention of AMERICANS, especially those who refused to surrender their weapons.

The Rex-84 Alpha Explan (Readiness Exercise 1984, Exercise Plan), indicates that FEMA in association with 34 other federal civil departments and agencies conducted a civil readiness exercise during April 5-13, 1984. It was conducted in coordination and simultaneously with a Joint Chiefs exercise, Night Train 84, a worldwide military command post exercise (including Continental U.S. Forces or CONUS) based on multi-emergency scenarios operating both abroad and at home. In the combined exercise, Rex-84 Bravo, FEMA and DOD led the other federal agencies and departments, including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Secret Service, the Treasury, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Veterans Administration through a gaming exercise to test military assistance in ;civil defense'.






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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 03:48 PM
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thank's i just needed confirmation. got 2 minutes left and you are quick! i'll have to come back later.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by fleabit
Well, I don't suspect that in the next several months, things are going to cost 15 times as much, no.

Since this crisis began, I've seen prices barely fluctuate at all for food. Bread, milk and eggs are pretty much what they were 6 months ago. 10 cents here or there.. but certainly not even 2 times as much.


My olive oil has gone up 50 cents to a dollar in the past 6 months. Little Debbie snack cakes have gone up 20 to 40 cents in that time. My organic macaroni and cheese has gone up 30 cents a box at SuperTarget.

Also, you may not have noticed, but many companies have already been making package sizes smaller so you get less for your money (hence the unit price goes up). It's been done on the sly, though Time magazing reported on it (don't have the link on hand). I know cereal manufacturers have done it, as well as many snack manufacturers.

So, this is one of the main indicators to me of coming martial law. People may get out of hand when they get hungry enough. And I, too, expect prices to rise. Based on what I read, I expect them to go up 2 to 5 times as much.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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OH LOVELY!
Well I suppose I'll hit the pawn shops from here on out.
I've also done a lot of reading about FEMA camps and there are suppose to be a lot of similar camps or bases located all over the states. I remember FEMA sending me a pamphlet in the mail about earthquake awareness a few months ago along with a survival readiness pamphlet. Do they know something?
I think so.....

We all remember the crosshairs on the WTC's when FEMA put out the emergency response to terrorism pamphlet in 97. That's somewhat ironic.

Either way time will tell.....



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:02 PM
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Hey, those links you provided only go to some form where you fill out your name etc. It does not have anything about the blueprints you posted.

Where are those?



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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I think I've seen enough to be convinced of what is coming.
I'll be ready as I can be but when TSHTF we are going to need a method of uniting with each other to stand against the current domination.....

To those skeptics, It is better to be prepared for something that does not happen then falsely assume the storm will pass.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by questioningall

There are the trains - a pic


FEMA ordered 107,200 'AutoMax' prison cars from Gunderson Steel modified from original FEMA design to carry automobiles. They apparently wanted people to become accustomed to seeing these railcars so they would just think they were hauling autos.


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All the above is from link: www.libertyforlife.com...


Thanks for the information, but I've seen that picture and read that page. I am not sure I believe it based on that, though I suspect there may be something to it. Until I find more reliable information, I have to stay skeptical on the boxcars. I'm not saying that site doesn't have any reliable info (I've found great stuff on there, if it's indeed authentic), but I personally need something more to prove it to myself. Something official would help, not to echo the hardcore naysayers on here. I do try to hear a lot of it from the horse's mouth, though, and connect the dots from there, if possible.

Now, the camps - I have enough on that and have little question left that they are potentially sinister.

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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Alpha_Magnum

Originally posted by whatukno
And how are you going to get the ARMED population onto one of those cars willingly?


Possibly by creating new gun laws that restrict gun ownership like the in the other thread that you insist is harmless? Naturally the reason that the Founding Fathers added the "non infringement clause" to the 2nd Amendment was to prevent the government from regulating the People's last hope against TYRANNY.

By the way just so ATS members know you whole heartedly support a "FEDERAL GUN LICENSE" and the entire infrastructure that goes along with it. You do that even though gun ownership is in fact a preexisting Constitutional Right that the government and YOU seek to see become a privilege that can be DENIED.

This is how people will be put in camps since the population will be dis empowered by these UNCONSTITUTIONAL LAWS. You will go quietly in the night and if you have a gun the government will seize your property while you are at work. If you lost your job and home and are walking down the street with your "Grapes of Wrath" looking mess your shotgun will make you as visible as BLAZE ORANGE. You will be put in the KLINK.

The police already disarm legal gun owners. What happens when people get divided, I mean divorced (68% divorce rate) and things get a little heated? The police confiscate any weapons and now when all is said and done see if you get your property back! There is much, much more but since you have a unique way of reading BILLS the bigger picture becomes illusive to you and agent provocateurs like yourself.


Just curious but who exactly do you think is going to put the entire US population in camps? There are approx. 320 million US citizens and the entire US military is only about 1,436,642 people on active duty as of July 31, 2008. So if the government pulled out every single military person out of every country in the world and brought them back to the US, they'd be outnumbered approx. 300 to 1.
If there are between approx. 77 million to 90 million gun owners in the United States, that means the ENTIRE US military would be outnumbered AT LEAST 77 to 1.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:24 PM
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AWESOME POST!!!!!!!!!!!

I made a vid and referenced you questioningall
www.youtube.com...


As far as the List from the Secret FISA Meeting
www.youtube.com...

The list starts at 2:01

Call every Politician and say what you have to say!



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:27 PM
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i believe the economy and its ultimate collapse will lead to a lot of hungry people. the jobless rate is steady rising and many states are bankrupt and will follow california's wake of suspending income tax returns, welfare, student money, etc. when one gets hungry, choas will ensue and then the camps will be filled and the coffins will come into play. and let's not forget the avian flue and the millions, i mean millions it killed in 1918.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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I just contacted Cynthia Lummis representative at large for the state of Wyoming.

I let her know that I would appreciate if she would vote against HR645 on the basis that it appears that it could be used to undermine the constitution.

Since when does our government support faith based organizations?
As the Secretary of Homeland Security sees fit?

Wow.... Just wow....



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Originally posted by Namaste
Since when does our government support faith based organizations?
As the Secretary of Homeland Security sees fit?


Well, I read somewhere (don't have proof right now or remember where I read it) that the government is sending out (or has sent out) letters to get churches to help get people to comply with some of these plans being discussed here. Maybe that has something to do with this?



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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Our military is off in the world guarding oil wells and mines. The USA is so divided that people who are becoming more and more socialistic (some think this is a Democracy) will simply throw each other to the wolves. If needed the Mexican Army and other NATO armies will be brought in to add that military touch.

Did you stop to realize that if the police come to your house for any reason that they now always ask, "Do you have any weapons?" Think about the WHY.



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