"Thanks, Tobacco: You Killed My Mom", page 9

reply to post by Flighty

---

EXACTLY

now we're on the same page

sounds funny but its completely possible

we're on a conspiracy board so ill just use the example of the moon race
they said they're going to the moon in 10 years, they did it whether it was a hoax or not

tobacco companies/governments could easily invest in the advancement of this creating jobs and economies and make even more money then they do now

then the conspiracy for that one is that they just faked that and ciggarettes were really still bad for you because people would be getting cancer from other things
and we all know other things still cause cancer too

but isnt the logical thing to at least start 1 by 1 eliminating the causes of cancer


what better to do then start getting rid of problems by making our problems profitable

reply to post by RFBurns

---

You seem to think I don't know what I'm talking about, so let me fill you in. First, you don't like the fact that your smoking increases my insurance costs, my medical cost, and the cost of goods and services because of the time off. I'll refer you to the CDC, the Surgeon General, and the AMA. Want to know why my insurance goes up? Because I have group insurance. The people who smoke have more respiratory infections, and therefore use their insurance for doctor visit, and to cover medications. Sooner or later that gets passed on to me in the form of higher premiums and higher co-pays. Those same people take more time off because of respiratory illness. The means I have to find another nurse or aid to take their place. So, not only do I have to pay sick pay, I am probably going to end up paying overtime, which is going to sooner or later get past on to the consumer.
Want to about vents? You've smoked all your life, now have end stage COPD and can't breathe. The doctor shoves a tube down your throat, we connect you to a ventalator, sedate you and try to get your blood gases back to a point where you can breathe on your own for awhile. Guess what? Sometimes it doesn't work, and we can't even wake you up from the sedation. Possibly you had a stroke, or heart attack while you were on the vent. It's difficult to diagnose those things when someone is sedated to keep them from pulling the tube out that's keeping them alive.
Now all this time, I've been turning you, running a tube down the tube, trying to remove the secretions that build up in your lungs, giving you baths, and cleaning your butt. At the same time, I am dealing with you family. Your wife and children are asking me if your going to be alright. They are alternatly crying their eyes out, and angry at me because I don't fix you. I just try to reassure them that we are doing the best we can and we'll try to wean you off. (The doctor loves to dump this stuff on the nurses.)
Finally the day comes when we've tried three or four times to get you off, and we can't do it. The doctor has to approach your family and asked them to make a decision. You can't continue on the vent forever. But we can't stop the vent until someone, usually the wife, makes a decision.
I have stood by many families, and offered my condolences, and no I didn't say, "If only he hadn't smoked."
George Burns, your grandmother, and my grandfather are anomalies. And your theory that lung cancer is caused by additives and allergies is hogwash. It has been proven time and time again in peer reviewed studies that the LEADING (not the only)cause of lung cancer is smoking.
Now from a strictly selfish point of view, smoke on brother, Because all you doing is giving me even greater job security. And that part about the bath? It won't be some cute blonde. I'm a 300lb bald guy with a beard, and when I need it, attitude.
But my patients and my familes love me.

Originally posted by Mynaeris
reply to post by GreyFoxSolid

---

It's always tragic when someone insists on being the judge in every matter . You seemed to have missed the movie altogether, but critiquing the plot nonetheless.

But thanks for your input. As I said before my main aim is for people who smoke to understand that their smoking habits aren't just hurting them, but has health implications (short and long term ones) for many innocent non-smokers.

You sit in a garage with a car running and I'll sit in one smoking cigarettes, who walks away?

The fat little Nazi's who think they own everything taking away my rights why they scream and complain is more disgusting than any smoke could ever be. If a bar owner wants smoking in their business, it should be their right. You don't like it? Go somewhere else.

Originally posted by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by RFBurns

---

You seem to think I don't know what I'm talking about, so let me fill you in. First, you don't like the fact that your smoking increases my insurance costs, my medical cost, and the cost of goods and services because of the time off. I'll refer you to the CDC, the Surgeon General, and the AMA. Want to know why my insurance goes up? Because I have group insurance. The people who smoke have more respiratory infections, and therefore use their insurance for doctor visit, and to cover medications. Sooner or later that gets passed on to me in the form of higher premiums and higher co-pays. Those same people take more time off because of respiratory illness. The means I have to find another nurse or aid to take their place. So, not only do I have to pay sick pay, I am probably going to end up paying overtime, which is going to sooner or later get past on to the consumer.
Want to about vents? You've smoked all your life, now have end stage COPD and can't breathe. The doctor shoves a tube down your throat, we connect you to a ventalator, sedate you and try to get your blood gases back to a point where you can breathe on your own for awhile. Guess what? Sometimes it doesn't work, and we can't even wake you up from the sedation. Possibly you had a stroke, or heart attack while you were on the vent. It's difficult to diagnose those things when someone is sedated to keep them from pulling the tube out that's keeping them alive.
Now all this time, I've been turning you, running a tube down the tube, trying to remove the secretions that build up in your lungs, giving you baths, and cleaning your butt. At the same time, I am dealing with you family. Your wife and children are asking me if your going to be alright. They are alternatly crying their eyes out, and angry at me because I don't fix you. I just try to reassure them that we are doing the best we can and we'll try to wean you off. (The doctor loves to dump this stuff on the nurses.)
Finally the day comes when we've tried three or four times to get you off, and we can't do it. The doctor has to approach your family and asked them to make a decision. You can't continue on the vent forever. But we can't stop the vent until someone, usually the wife, makes a decision.
I have stood by many families, and offered my condolences, and no I didn't say, "If only he hadn't smoked."
George Burns, your grandmother, and my grandfather are anomalies. And your theory that lung cancer is caused by additives and allergies is hogwash. It has been proven time and time again in peer reviewed studies that the LEADING (not the only)cause of lung cancer is smoking.
Now from a strictly selfish point of view, smoke on brother, Because all you doing is giving me even greater job security. And that part about the bath? It won't be some cute blonde. I'm a 300lb bald guy with a beard, and when I need it, attitude.
But my patients and my familes love me.

i chose to quote this rather than reply to because i feel this deserves extra attention

its really hard to break it down much more plainly then that, and thats putting it mildly, people like you and others who have seen 1st hand what the outcomes are from such problems can truly understand how it impacts so much more then just the smokers life

unfortunately there will always be those who are too stubborn and fool hearty to ever have it affect them or change their minds, that is what is wrong with us as human beings

hopefully someday we will evolve to be truly intelligent, not only a select few greats like genius's we worship, but hopefully one day all be such genius's and then debates like these wouldnt even be necessary

well put post much respect for a very well said post

www.google.com...

Radioactive Polonium found in tobacco (also found throughout the food chain in trace amounts... cancer's rise explained?) Association Researchers say that the interdiction of cellular apoptosis by Nicotine, which prolongs mutated/damaged cells lives further (apoptosis insures longevity by causing damaged cells to die and replace with new regenerated cells, in the body), plus the long term consequences of Polonium 210 from the Tobacco plants, which provide over 75 mRads of Radiation Per Day (that's the same as between 3 and 50 Chest-X-Rays will give you, every Pack of Cigarettes you smoke) applied directly to the Lungs, and the resulting damage to your Lungs, prolonged by the Nicotine, lead to virtually ALL Lung Cancers among Smokers today.

It seems that what is becoming the usual culprit, lying and cover stories have made tobacco rather than its fertilizer the perceived problem. The abundance of straw man arguments and deception have exaggerated the situation. Governments chasing false problems with even more false solutions seems to rule the day in an insane totalitarian dictatorship of psychological warfare. We have a tremendous carbon credit scam achieving nothing to solve any problem, while the data about authentic health crises are suppressed such as GMO foods, aspartame, and MSG.

The reason we have so many problems is because the free press has long ago abandoned any hard hitting journalism exposing abuses of the public interest, and a government that hates liability and other related issues so much that it sacrifices the public well being.



[edit on 28-1-2009 by SkipShipman]

First Heartless Man - You Don\'t Really Need A Heart or A Pulse
  Posted 9 days ago with 51 member flags

Mystery teen illness: Brokovich team barred from testing school grounds
  Posted 15 days ago with 47 member flags

Doctor Uses Coconut Oil to Reverse Husband\'s Alzheimer\'s Disease
  Posted 14 days ago with 28 member flags

A brief look at water fluoridation and the insanity of it
  Posted 12 days ago with 28 member flags

Brains of Addicts Are Inherently Abnormal
  Posted 8 days ago with 20 member flags

FDA say body is a drug and has the right to regulate it!
  Posted 11 days ago with 18 member flags

Common Food Items Could Contain 180 Times More Fluoride Than Tap Water!
  Posted 5 days ago with 17 member flags

MPD/DID and Quantum Psychiatry
  Posted 15 days ago with 12 member flags

Newest topics, updated in real-time:

Newest topics getting flags, in real-time:

Newest topics getting replies, in real-time: