"Thanks, Tobacco: You Killed My Mom"

Originally posted by thedeadtruth
I think when I was about 5 and my first day at school they got us to do a fire drill. It basically consisted us of getting on the ground and crawling across the floor towards the door.

Why...?

" Because the smoke will kill you before the fire does ."

I really fail to see how people " voluntarily" become confused about this simple well know fact later on in life. I think they are being dishonest and deceitful to claim anything other than willful stupidity.

And people die from stupidity every day.

i wouldn't like to say i'm stupid but i would say i do hate people so the more cancer i spread the more fun it is for me

reply to post by GreyFoxSolid


It's always tragic when someone insists on being the judge in every matter . You seemed to have missed the movie altogether, but critiquing the plot nonetheless.

But thanks for your input. As I said before my main aim is for people who smoke to understand that their smoking habits aren't just hurting them, but has health implications (short and long term ones) for many innocent non-smokers.

Originally posted by ninja jedi
i wouldn't like to say i'm stupid but i would say i do hate people so the more cancer i spread the more fun it is for me

Its this very mentallity that creates terrorist bombers, and suicide killers. Those who hate others, and really dont care about the welfare of their fellow man.

Maybe one day, if you go into the ER room with a respiratory issue, the person you talk to will recognize you, and maybe this post where you said you like inflicting hurt on other people.

And out of the goodness of their heart, even though you harbor hate within you, they offer a hand of healing so that you might live another day.

Peace

[edit on 27-1-2009 by HIFIGUY]

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Actually, that's the mentality of a troll and this thread seems to have attracted more than a few.

The message is there for all to see.

Let those who have eyes see.

And non-smokers I hate the most are the ones who act like they have just been exposed to nerve gas if they even get a slight whiff of a cigarette.

Hilarious, thanks for the chuckle...it's soooo true.

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That is the problem I believe with society today. Nobody takes responsibility for their actions.

Originally posted by Mynaeris

Smokers I dislike most are:

Smokers who smoke just outside the doors of stores and malls.

"Polite" smokers who walk down the street and turn away from their companion to exhale and blow it into your face instead.

Smokers who insist on standing in line smoking so that everybody else can inhale their smoke.

Smoking parents who smoke while handling their infants.

Smoking parents with children with asthma who won't quit.

I think thats a good start - there are more if you would like me to continue.

Everyone has the right to clean air to breathe. Can I post a few of my complaints too?


Complaints by the "wahh wahh"s I dislike.

Wahh wahhs that hang around smoking areas just to wahh wahh about 2nd hand smoke.

Wahh wahhs that cant move upwind from a smoker at the corner of a street.

Wahh wahhs that breath in more toxic air sitting behind another vehicle in jammed traffic moving 5 mph in a 65 during drive time.

Wahh wahhs that have already got their pampers changed and got what they wanted, smoker free bars and resturants and smoker areas for the smokers.

Wahh wahhs that are still not happy that they got what they wanted and want more.

Wahh wahhs that cannot stand to see smokers excercising their right to light up.

Wahh wahhs that complain their rights are being offended when its actually the other way around.

Wahh wahhs that simply have nothing better to do than to complain.

Wahh wahhs that claim their clean air space is being contaminated by 2nd hand smoke when they gladly will sit next to an idleing diesel truck spewing out 500 times more toxic gasses than a life time of 2nd hand smoke could ever compare to.

There is alot more if you would like me to post them.



Cheers!!!!!

(lights one up)

Ok, so to please everybody why don't they make e-cigarettes widely publicised/available then??

No second, third hand smoke, no smoke at all actually as it's not a tobacco product.
If you aren't aware of these things, check out this thread Beat the cigarette ban
You can choose the level of pure nicotine you personally choose to injest, from zero to high, with no carcinogens, additives or tar, and absolutely no stink.

I have 'smoked' mine around many non- smokers and they have absolutely no problem with it, actually they love it, especially the apple flavour.
There can be no second/third hand transmission of dangerous chemicals that don't exist in the initial product.
It seems to be a great compromise, yet apparently many states are looking to ban this product. Go figure.

To those arguing the cost of health care.
In Australia (where I'm from) they have socialised healthcare, so if anywhere had a serious reason to ban tobacco because of the health cost impllications, they would have done it long ago.
Instead of telling people what they can or can't do, they chose to increase taxes on tobacco products to directly fund socialsed health care.
Thats why a pack of cigarettes can cost anywhere from $10 - $20.

Here in the USA, you can get a pack of Sonomas for around $2.

With the anti- smoking information that's widely available these days nobody can say they didn't know, it all comes down to choice.

In this country you pay for those consequences yourself.

Originally posted by earthchild

In this country you pay for those consequences yourself.

Well, not exactly.

Medicare pays for many of the chronic illnesses of those who don't take care of their health.

I don't think that banning tobacco is the answer, but the costs of smoking and obesity and other illnesses of choice really do affect the entire populace.

Sorry to the OP on the loss of your mother.
But tobbaco is the scapegoat in many cancer deaths.Having had an experience of my mums cancer first being put down to smoking.Just before she died they did discover it wasnt a form of cancer related to smoking.

Myself I smoke and I know its killing me slowly but im still going to smoke knowing it.Im 39 and when I get to sixties say,I may wish that I had given it up.But who knows.You cant leave this world to get to the spirit realm without a help/push from something.

My gran who was a forty cigarettes a day smoker passed away when she was 87 from natural causes.My mum who smoked 20 a day passed away aged 44 from cancer(Refer to above).

For those of you that are non smoking and whinge about smoking and who drives,try this little experiment.

Have your car with engine running in a closed garage and have a friend who smokes with you smoking a cigarette.
Then make a judgement on which you think is the more dangerous.

Originally posted by BlesUTP
while very touching, i think its safe to assume she killed herself.

nobody put a cigarette in her mouth, and how could you not be aware of the conditions that come along with smoking.

i smoke, maybe a couple a day, but if i were to die it wouldnt be anyones fault but my own.

the tobacco companies put out addictive cigarettes, yes, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy them. its called will power. and when i can gather up mine ill be quitting, or i wont and ill continue. but its my choice, just as it is everyone elses choice.

I'm with you there BlesUTP...but you may be forgetting one thing. My children don't smoke and they have to be around me and second hand smoke. Whose fault is it if they die of cancer?
Also, I think more than big tobacco is to blame I believe it is our government who reaps huge benefits off the tax, but then they love to curb where we smoke.
Make up your greedy minds. I don't honestly care if I can smoke or not.. but quit being in the middle of the road... make a decision! That's what we pay you for.
Either ban smoking all together or let us smoke where we want.

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sorry bud your mom kiled her self, no one to blame here but her...
their cant be a scape goat for everything...

We all need to take responsibility for our actions...your mom was no different

I'm not here to blame tobacco companies for the deaths of smokers and non smokers. I'm here to blame them for selling, advertising and pumping their poisons into the lives of human beings, just because it can make them lots of paper with special prints on them.

That's what they're responsible for. It's funny that the conspiracy is, a lot of the people who run the tobacco companies don't smoke, or smoke more filtered, less addictive cigs'.

They say the worst kind of dealer, is the drug dealer that knows how deadly the drugs can be...and so, doesn't use it. But feels comfortable killing hundreds and millions of people...once he's healthy and his pockets are fat.

They're disgusting!

sorry to post again..but this is a slippery slope...

smokes killed my mom.....fat from mcd's killed my dad...a crook killed my sister the cop..and a hunting accident killed my uncle the hunter...

we all die folks..one way or another!!

you cant sue your way out of death...it gets us all!!!!!

sorry mcd's, guns, and crack heads are the way we live and ...die

get used to it!!! its not a pefect world...so sorry if you thought it was!!!!

"You are the direct result of your own personal decisions and actions"


[edit on 1/27/2009 by redseal]

Originally posted by Oceanborn

Originally posted by Mynaeris

Originally posted by BlesUTP
reply to post by Mynaeris

 

i never walked past you before

and i have respect for other people, i dont smoke indoors i go outside. its not hard to not be an a-hole

Smokers I dislike most are:

Smokers who smoke just outside the doors of stores and malls.

"Polite" smokers who walk down the street and turn away from their companion to exhale and blow it into your face instead.

Smokers who insist on standing in line smoking so that everybody else can inhale their smoke.

Smoking parents who smoke while handling their infants.

Smoking parents with children with asthma who won't quit.

I think thats a good start - there are more if you would like me to continue.

Non-smokers that I dislike are the one's that are whinning.Excuse me but yeah.
Why vehicles don't bother you?Don't they polute?Yet,nobody complains about them...maybe because even non-smokers want em?How about factories?

To foremanator:Actually...yeah...!Pick the worse drug,still nobody will force anyone to take it.


Come on people...we can't always blame others.

Good one I was wondering when that argument would come up cigarette smoke is bad and I don't advocte it but exhaust fumes are far worse personally one small whiff gives me an instant headache.

Originally posted by redseal
reply to post by GradyPhilpott

 

sorry bud your mom kiled her self, no one to blame here but her...
their cant be a scape goat for everything...

We all need to take responsibility for our actions...your mom was no different

Originally posted by gallifreyan medic
Sorry to the OP on the loss of your mother.

Thank you for your exquisite and gracious sensitivity and compassion, but the woman in the video is not my mother.

If you'd read the post, I think you'd have known that.

[edit on 2009/1/27 by GradyPhilpott]

If it were not for the bald-face lying and payoffs from the tobacco industries years ago, cigarettes perhaps WOULD be illegal now. I think it's ironic that a product that has upwards of 1000 man-made chemicals in it is legal, while a natural plant that has no man-made chemicals is illegal. And I don't even smoke dope. Never have.

I remember watching a special on TV. It was the Supreme Court, over a decade ago, and there was a long line of scientists giving their opinion on cigarettes. One after another, they were asked if they thought that cigarettes were addicting or dangerous. And to a man, every single one, with a straight face that only a whole lot of $$$ could secure, said "No, I don't think cigarettes are addicting. No, I don't think cigarettes are dangerous."

If the industry at that point had not been allowed to buy off these court decisions, perhaps things would be different now. While I completely agree that people need to be responsible for their own actions, this industry targets the young, the impressionable. It's cool. It's rebellious. And to be honest, I'm staggered they get away with as much as they do.

So while folks need to take responsibility... so does the cigarette industry. 1000 chemicals in a product they continue to develop so that it is as ADDICTIVE as possible, so you will not quit, and will keep giving them money. There is way too few regulations on these guys. But I guess as people know, if your industry has the money, they have the power. Ask the oil companies, they'll tell you all about it.

Gotta love the ban it crowd. I'm fine with no smoking indoors in government buildings and such, but if its a private establishment, it should be up to the owner of the place, not the government. I used to smoke, but not any more. I personally don't mind being around it, and if I did, I'd go somewhere else. That's just me.

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Vodka is made from potatoes?
I didn't know that, the things I learn on ATS.
Thanks!