"Thanks, Tobacco: You Killed My Mom", page 13
Pages: <<  10    11    12    13  >>
ATS Members have flagged this thread 6 times


reply posted on 30-1-2009 @ 11:21 PM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by Flighty

That's your law. If I wrote the bill, all tax monies obtained from tobacco would be funneled into a special fund(interest bearing) that would be designated for healthcare use only. It would be UNTOUCHABLE!!!! In other words, a real trust fund, unlike the Ponzi scheme FDR foisted on us those many, many years ago, may he burn in hell forever.


reply posted on 30-1-2009 @ 11:33 PM by kettlebellysmith
reply to post by nazarenec

Agreed! No one held anyone down and made them smoke the first cigarette. No one held there nose and poured the first drink down their throat. (In the interest of full disclosure, I do drink. I drink 101 proof bourbon, and I really enjoy a couple of pints of Guinness every now and then.) And no one stuck a cigarette in your mouth, and kicked your butt while you inhaled.
I used to smoke. I quit over 20 years ago. There is not enough money, whiskey or women to make me pick tobacco in any form.
And as an aside to MR. Burns, who thinks my 300lbs is girth, weight doesn't always mean fat, sir. So when I say I can have attitude, I have something to back it up with.
(Sorry nazarencec, but he really pissed me off with the comment about weight. Everyone assumes that heavy means fat. Sometimes it means you work really hard and have a whole lot of muscle mass. And sometimes it means you have a really big gun.




reply posted on 1-2-2009 @ 05:29 AM by Anonymous ATS
(any sbelling misdakes and bad gramma is intentionelly left in for entertainment purposes - and because English isn't my first or even my second language)

It has been an interesting read this thread.

"let's blame those who benefit - first the government then the tobacco companies."
I agree that the goverment should earn huge amount of money on the sale of tobacco. It is - after all - the goverment you go to for help with the concequences. In my country (Denmark) the health care system is entirely based on taxes.

"I started smoking knowing the risk. Now leave me alone".
I beg to differ. You may have started knowing the risk but your blasé way of ignoring the risk is based on the assumption that it won't happen to you. When/if you lie there dying of cancer I bet your views will change somewhat.

"I smoke standing by the open window so it won't bother my children or my spouse."
Have you ever thought about what happens to the smoke when the wind blows through the window INTO your house? I have noticed a definite trend in my family to always open the windows in the side of the house tat is in to the wind. Somehow it feels right to have fresh air coming in rather than sucking bad air out.

"Third hand smoking isn't a problem."
My wife and I stopped smoking two years ago (we did a "cold turkey" - stopped from one minute to the next) and recently I began noticing the nausiating whif of air around some smokers when I pass them in the shops or on the streets.
I have more than once thought about contacting old friends and family and apologize to them for having put them through such an experience.

"What about traffic pollution?"
Well, if I had my way the traffic in build up areas would be largely concisting of public transport. I know, that that is not likely to happen as long as people reserve the right to drive their own car the two miles down to the mall in stead of going by bike.
Society MUST have transport of people and goods. It is a fact that socity doesn't HAVE to have people ill or dying of smoke related illnesses.

"My friends don't say anything and don't seem to be bothered about me smoking."
Said friends might have given up arguing their case because of your hostile or insisting way of pushing your case.
Has anyone tried the followong scenario: A smoker asks at the table "Do you mind if I smoke?". You object and several others say nothing. The smoker happily ignores you because "majority rules".

Sometimes your friends might not even be aware of the ill effects of second hand smoking. After all - smokers and tobacco companies have been very good at coming up with statistics proving no ill effects.
Non-smokers can easily find statistics supporting their views, but as in all other cases - we trust most in statistics that suport the views we already have (true fact - can be substantiated in the relevant statistics ).

Sorry for writing anonymously - my account is apparently inactivated or I misremember my password. Either way the system won't send me a new password.
I usually logon using HolgerTheDane.


reply posted on 1-2-2009 @ 04:17 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by Anonymous ATS



Excellent post, HolgerTheDane.

You've really hit the nail on the head.

I've said before that the value of this thread is that it documents the denial, egocentrism, and wanton hostility of those who are addicted to nicotine.


reply posted on 1-2-2009 @ 07:17 PM by TruthParadox
reply to post by sir_chancealot



The carcinogens in cigarette smoke are harmful.
It's just a fact.


If smoking CAUSED lung cancer, every single person who smoked would have lung cancer.


That's like saying:
If Donuts caused obesity, then every single person who eats donuts would be fat.
That clearly is not the case, so donuts will not make you fat...

I can eat nothing but donuts and not get fat (because I have a very fast metabolism). Other people can eat a couple donuts and gain weight.

Similarly, smoking increases your odds of having lung problems (including lung cancer) - but, as with anything else, some people are naturally more resistant to the effects.

As with anything else, if you are a fairly healthy person, your risk is lower than it otherwise might be.

If you eat McDonalds 10 times a week AND smoke, then your body won't even have the basic vitamins and minerals it needs to keep your body renewed.
Why do you think skin cancer emerged out of nowhere when everyone started eating so poorly? The sun is not the problem, it's just that so many people aren't getting the vitamins, minerals, protein, H20, etc it needs to fight off the "harmful effects" of the sun.
But I digress...


reply posted on 1-2-2009 @ 07:17 PM by GradyPhilpott
reply to post by sir_chancealot




Technically, smoking increases the risk of certain diseases, including lung cancer, emphysema, and heart disease.

Everyone knows someone who's smoked for 70 years and still runs marathons, but of the smokers they are few and far between.

Whatever benefits there may be to smoking tobacco, they are far outweighed by the risk.

And by the way, I'm not a rabid anti-smoker and most of the people who've posted here acknowledging the risks of smoking haven't expressed the kind of hostility that has come from the smokers.

I do understand that smokers are a bit touchy over the subject of risks and public opinion, but the kinds of attitudes expressed regarding the poor woman in this video is atrocious.

Yes, she is to blame for smoking and continuing to smoke after her diagnosis, but the fact is that nicotine addiction is that powerful in some people and her story should be a lesson to all.



[edit on 2009/2/1 by GradyPhilpott]


reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 11:57 AM by mlmijyd
Originally posted by BlesUTP
reply to
post by Mynaeris



i never walked past you before

and i have respect for other people, i dont smoke indoors i go outside. its not hard to not be an a-hole


Typical response of the selfish thoughtless and irresponsible people that wonder why they have all these secondary issues medical and mental but don't get it because they are......... Self fulfilling isn't it.

You've been educated and still you can't connect the dots? Easy meat for the Global elites propaganda machine.


reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 12:10 PM by dariousg
Originally posted by BlesUTP
while very touching, i think its safe to assume she killed herself.

nobody put a cigarette in her mouth, and how could you not be aware of the conditions that come along with smoking.

i smoke, maybe a couple a day, but if i were to die it wouldnt be anyones fault but my own.

the tobacco companies put out addictive cigarettes, yes, but nobody is forcing anyone to buy them. its called will power. and when i can gather up mine ill be quitting, or i wont and ill continue. but its my choice, just as it is everyone elses choice.


Okay, I HAVE to put the breaks on your foolish assumption here. And you know what they say when we "ASSUME" something.

Sure, big tobacco didn't put that cigarrette in my mothers or aunts and uncles mouths either. However, they come from a generation where smoking was advertised as cool and safe and not hazardous for your health. From a time when big money from big tobacco paid off many of the government agencies that were supposed to protect Americans. And they KNEW what they were doing. All of it revealed with their 'secret' documents.

So, when you decide to try and make light of these killers (and everyone who starred this post), you should seriously remove yourself from THIS generation and put yourself in the generation that was brainwashed into thinking it was not only okay to smoke but very shiek.

They killed my mother as well. She was smoking before they had warnings on cigarettes. Hell, I remember seeing commercials about smoking. Yeah, they had the warnings by then but they weren't as stringent.

Oh yeah, have you ever been hooked on a drug? If so, did you kick it? If you did you are lucky. Because there are those that cannot kick it. No matter how hard they try, and believe me, my mother did try with support from her children and her family. She was simply a person with an addictive personality.

Be sure you lay the blame in the proper place while you are up on your high and mighty pedistal my friend. Because what may be common knowledge to you NOW just may not have been so commonly known 50 years ago.


reply posted on 2-2-2009 @ 12:18 PM by dariousg
reply to post by sir_chancealot



Yeah, tobacco, weed and so on do have beneficial effects on people when smoked in their PURE FORM. You are missing the boat my friend. It's all of the additives (the hundreds of poisens that hasten addiction) that are the problem. If you pick the leaf from the plant and dry it and smoke it you are actually getting something that can be benefitial. True. You just need to once again stop looking at things from such a focused point of view and begin to look at them from the points of view of the evil bastards that put the poisons in the herb in the first place. ALL FOR PROFIT. To sell more and to make sure that people didn't stop buying.

So please don't get upset when people ignore the posts on how beneficial smoking can be when you are missing the point.



reply posted on 3-2-2009 @ 10:54 AM by dariousg
Originally posted by spec2
ever been to a paper factory town? the entire city for miles stinks like real schmidt. How dare they think they have the right to force me to breathe that. sure, i could hold my breathe while in town, but thats an unfair burden on myself.

ever been to a carnival? why the heck are the port-o-potties always backed right up next to the food court area? How dare they think they have the right to make me breathe that foul toxic air while eating. come to think of if... ever been nearby a burger king? its just appalling that they believe in their right to FORCE me to breathe in second hand food smell and smoke? How inconsiderate to those who are vegetarians, and those without food who are starving.

second hand smokers...

lets outlaw smells altogether. especially smells from certain cultures, whew there was this oriental family at disney world one time, i was in the clausterphobic elevetar of doom or whatever it was called, and man, the smell coming from them almost made me feint. they have no right.


Ignorant and completely, as usual, missed the point. I mean as usual for the people that seem to be saying that people have a choice to stop smoking. Most of the time I believe that people who say this have never smoked in their life. Because they just don't understand.

Personally, I haven't smoked and I haven't been addicted. However, I'm afraid to even try it because I have seen many dear family members get sucked in by the drugs being pushed on them by these tabacco companies.

Now, if you were being serious, which I seriously doubt with your rude final statement, I apologize. However, I believe that you were not being serious and I feel that you showed how shallow you can be on this site.


reply posted on 4-2-2009 @ 03:42 PM by dariousg
reply to post by spec2



Okay. I can grant you that. Maybe you should have put a big laughing smiley after your points.

You see, it's a very sensative subject for me now. I have lost too many loved ones to this 'personal choice'. When people try to make light of the fact that these people have been lied to on purpose by these criminals in the industry and then make light of the fact that it is a very addictive drug that for many is virtually impossible to kick...well, you see how I react.

I don't begrudge smokers their rights. It's the right of every citizen in this country.
Pages: <<  10    11    12    13  >>    ^^TOP^^



The Church of HIV: Inventing the AIDS Virus
  Posted 6 days ago with 64 member flags
DIY lets cure cancer simple as that
  Posted 1 days ago with 18 member flags
5 Mainstream Diseases Respond to this drug ! - Breakthrough!
  Posted 18 days ago with 14 member flags
Why are dead people waking up around the world?
  Posted 5 days ago with 12 member flags
Dying For A Smile
  Posted 13 days ago with 11 member flags
Harvard To Be Tried for Alzheimer\'s Research Fraud
  Posted 5 days ago with 10 member flags