Brits Shoot at UFOs, Ex-official Says

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
Well, if we do manage to shoot one of these UFOs down I hope the inhabitants are friendly because they're going to have to get use to the British weather, enjoy warm beer, love curry's and kebabs, weak tea, arthritis and everyone, and I mean everyone trying to fleece you everytime you set foot out of your front door.
The chances are that after a week or so of suffering the hospitality of the UK the aliens will wish they had perished in the crash!

Lol . I loved that. First true laugh for a while.

Originally posted by observe50
Now let's glance at two triangles, the Bermuda and the Dragon's triangle. It seems they just seem to be located nearish to some of our deepest waters, the Puerto Rico Trench and the Mariana Trench.

I have never heard of the Dragon's triangle, where is it? Also I probably would punch a lion on the nose unless I knew it had just fed and didn't have cubs nearby.

Originally posted by spikey
The UK does have an official cover up regarding UFOs.

Most governments have official departments dedicated to covering up UFO sightings in order to prevent hysteria and panic.

reply to post by XXXN3O

He is appearing on television programs in the UK and the world more often due to an increase in his profile which is a money motive.

No, it's not due to an increase in his profile, it's due to an increase in worldwide UFO sightings, and his more recent access to previously classified material. There's much more of a case to work with now.

He was known as a hard sceptic until he U turned to believing in UFO's etc.

He still is a hard skeptic in many senses. In fact, in his recent interview with Fox News.. he acknowledged the fact the 95% of all UFO sightings can be explained in a conventional way; like helium balloons, swamp gas, etc..

I also think the wording you used is quite simplistic; he turned to believing in UFOs? .. No, it's not a new age religion to Mr. Pope, he took an in depth look at the data, and was convinced of the reality of this situation, nothing more. He seeks only to promote awareness. Why he does it? .. well obviously the UK government are in a process of some sorts, they have a plan, and Mr. Pope is an integral part of this plan, wouldn't you agree?

Government fear mongering is commonplace in the UK, this guy used to work for the government. Why else come out with a statement about the UK being defenceless from UFO attack!!??

He never suggested that any encountered UFOs were hostile, but he did say that we're near defenseless.

Dont get me wrong I think it is a good thing a former ministry defence minister is turning around but motive is a question that must be asked. Lots of cash to be made.

I don't see him making any more cash than he used to. But with respect, I can already clearly see the criticism and ridicule he's receiving for his controversial comments.

I know a woman who escorted an extra-terrestrial reptilian to rendezvoux with Lord Hill-Norton, Admiral of the Fleet, in Suffolk during 1984, and watched the being (around 6' 3" in height) beg for their space-ships to be allowed to transport water (which had to be fresh water, not salt) to his planet which has a higher proportion of desert than our more temperate planet.....however she said it was known to the MoD that another alien species, quite reminiscent of birds and super-musical culturally, were, or are I suppose, at war with the reptilians, and the birds convinced the MoD to avoid behaving particularly gratifyingly of the reptoids' wishes......so that was 1984. Yes, that does sound so bizarre.
The Max Burns UFO case is quite big, in that, from his point of view, all he did is investigate a Tornado GR1 being shot down by a flying triangle in 1997 over the Lady Bower Reservoir....Max made absolutely no claims re either craft involving extra-terrestrial life, however at the point at which he said to me "On the night of the Tornado crash (which had exploded after arming its missiles in the hope of crashing the FT) there was a sudden unusual drop in the water level of the reservoir", that prompted me to describe my woman friend's experience with an extra-terrestrial lodger. At the time of Max's case investigation, three 'ufologists' were known by many to be behaving highly unusually towards Max, those three being Tim Matthews, David Clarke and Andy Roberts, and what is meant here is actual physical efforts to stop Max going on stage to deliver talks on the Lady Bower reservoir Tornado crash.....no matter what Matthews/Clarke/Roberts say, I will never forget the experience of sitting at a ufo talk being given by Max Burns, with Tim Matthews amongst the audience, knowing many of the audience were sitting there with sticks hidden on their persons waiting on 'Matthews' (real surname Hepple) starting to howl and yell as usual at Max (which they told me he was constantly doing), these ufo group members having decided to absolutely smash him when he started up - but as if there was some informer in the group, it was the first time Tim didn't begin the usual violent filibustering, and the talk went somewhat less dramatically than expected.
Other ufologists have corresponded water disappearances with ufo appearances (especially Reg Presley, former Trogs lead singer, who had appeared on British TV in the late 1990s talking about how ufos seemed to be stealing water from desperate areas such as Bangladesh, causing even worse trouble for those starving people) and an interesting point is that the book Nick Pope published around the time of the Max Burns case (where he was jailed for 30 months for possession of amphetamines) was extraordinarily reminiscent in plot to that Tornado crash story.
I choose to support Larry O'Hara over against Tim Matthews & co., purely because so many people could not possibly have been wanting to obliterate him without him being unusually constantly troublesome within the ufo community - after that last Max talk which Tim attended Tim dropped out of the ufo scene and hasn't been heard from ever since. ATS readers can imagine the strangeness of the impression given by Tim Matthews going to the bother of travelling to every Max Burns lecture in order to howl and yell at him. I've described Andy Roberts' strange behaviour too, in a post onto a 'Catlett' thread in ATS, if readers are interested. All three of these antagonists have always easily got their articles and books published, easily got onto TV in Britain, and always appear to be on good terms with the MoD, and annoyingly consistently totally diss recent new ufo reports. Where America had that guy Phillip Klass, Britain's got a team of these sorts - obvious spooks. But it must be said, whatever the truth is, it does sound extremely bizarre and unbelievable anyway.

reply to post by martin_heth


The reason I believe Pope is working as a dis info agent for the British government is because of Tim Matthews. Tim would slag Pope off any chance he got at his meetings in Southport yet there were photographs doing the rounds which showed the pair of them laughing while having a drink. They seemed to be best buddies!
Incidentally, Tim now writes for a line dancing magazine! A long way removed when he appeared on the scene, on every radio talk show in the north west of England. He also is said to have had nazi sympathies. I was there in Southport when he was outed by Larry O'Hara. There was pandemonium as Andy Roberts held Tim back as he went to confront him. Oh happy days when UFOs were fun and there was plenty of contrevercy.

reply to post by Majorion


You have a good argument.

I disagree but you could be right.

UFO's are not my preferred subject.

I am not a big fan of Nick Pope so it might be clouding my judgement.

Time will be the judge.



[edit on 30-1-2009 by XXXN3O]

Interesting about that in Southport, whoever you are. Certainly things were far more exciting then than these days, and one must wonder if infiltration and confusion tactics have worked to keep the plebs' noses off the right scent.....but as I said, the truth is so weird sounding anyway, it's no wonder it's easy for them.
One wonders if Matthews simply had a violently mercurial disposition.....he informed me confidentially that his music teacher in Inveresk near Edinburgh had been married to a military general in the U.S.A., and he blabbed to his wife one day about that weird Eskimo incident where the whole village vanished in 1937, and all the graves were opened out and the contents disappeared.......regardless of whatever that was to do with, she remained forever suspicious of the fact that her man died mysteriously very soon after talking to her about it, whereupon she fled America and is more or less hiding from the American security services.....Matthews suspected that 1937 Alaskan story was a ufo/alien incident.....but that is basically confidential to him from her......it's just the fact that nothing, no story whatsoever, is fitting anyone's expectations, not Pope's, not yours, not mine's.....the alien behaviour can actually be very bizarre..... to us. We both know we're talking about the same guy, but who in ATS can believe what we are saying about how extreme Tim Matthews really was? We know coz we saw him, we know what others were like about him......then we go from that to judging other people's ufo stories and abduction claims etc. But nice to hear from you.
Some people agreed with my assessment of the Pope conundrum, that Nick Pope himself was, at least most of the time, an unwitting stooge - the MoD extreme right hoped Pope would go off like a damp squib, but there was a bit more magnesium in his tail than they thought there would be, and he still is burning quite brightly.....he did better than MoD fascists thought he would, and the fascists have wanted the proletarian nose shoved away from the ufo question for ideological reasons.....in my humble opinion.

reply to post by martin_heth


Matthews suspected that 1937 Alaskan story was a ufo/alien incident.....
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Your statement surprises me as Tim went out of his way to name call anyone who believed in the ETH. He and his recently deceased sidekick, Eric Morris , would quietly sit in the crowd at conventions until their alien believing victim would show up- then they would scream and shout abuse and call those who believed in aliens crackpots! Strange as Morris had made his name investigating abductions!!!
What is really strange about this is I would often pop along to Southport and attend his meetings. He always came across as a really likable person and then he would snap and become a complete pain in the backside. A real Jekyll and Hyde figure.