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Brits Shoot at UFOs, Ex-official Says

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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 12:30 AM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


This is an interesting little article from United Press International on Military.com today. The daily newsletter published for people in the military, there families and people with an interest in the armed forces reports on all things military. The short article states that the official British Government policy is only to shoot at UFO’s that appear hostile. I wonder what makes a UFO appear hostile or friendly. The article states that so far the weapons used against UFO’s don’t appear to have any effect on the craft. It will be interesting to see what else might pop up in the mainstream media regarding this story in the next few days. A couple weeks ago Military.com ran a story from a former U.S. Drug Czar who claimed Mexico was on the verge of disintegrating into civil war because of the drug cartels and within a few days the mainstream media had several different stories talking about Mexican internal stability and the possibility of civil war within Mexico. Keep your eyes open for more on this story too.

www.military.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



Whoa.

So mexico is in some pretty bad shambles then? where can i find information regarding the areas of conflict with cartels?? i was going to travel soon... PM me.

thanks!




posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 01:00 AM
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What happens if they do succeed in bringing one down and the aliens are REALLY ALIEN?

You know like a blue gelatinous mass that oozes out of the craft and then starts devouring everything? Kinda like the Blob but with super intelligence? We might be really, really sorry that we brought the thing down.

What happens if the aliens have engineered a super virus that we have no immunity to? What happens if their failsafe scenario (if we turn out to be too hostile to domesticate) is to release the virus?

What happens if the aliens have only two emotional states? Really friendly or really hostile?

What happens if the abduction stories are true? What if the occupant of the alien ship is a 9 foot tall Preying Mantis?

What if the alien spaceship that we brought down was on its way to the UN to deliver our invitation to join the Galactic Alliance and to begin the process of advancing to a higher state of being?

These are just a few examples of what an alien spacecraft might contain. We might want to think twice about starting something that we cannot finish.

It reminds me of the line in "Top Gun", where the commander tells Tom Cruise, "Your mouth is writing checks that your body can't cash."



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 01:43 AM
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Just saw the video of Nick Pope on Fox news. Most awesome stuff yet from Mr. Pope


Notice how the ignorant programmed media people immediately respond in skepticism and AWE. Yeah.. what a shock that we're not alone in the universe eh


The idiot Fox guy goes.. duhhh.. if something like this was really happening.. we would know about it.


[edit on 28/1/09 by Majorion]



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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What happens if the aliens have engineered a super virus that we have no immunity to? What happens if their failsafe scenario (if we turn out to be too hostile to domesticate) is to release the virus?


It wouldn't have to be a super virus. Any virus they brought here our body's immune system would not be able to defend against until it has developed immunities to the disease. This is much the same way viruses were spread on this planet when mass transportation was introduced. Cortes nearly killed the entire population of central America when his ships crew introduced what was harmless disease to their immune systems to the natives that had never had any contact with the disease before. A simple "alien cold" could have the potential to drive mankind to extinction.

The reverse may also be true (I have no clue as to the alien's immune system's make-up). Our common cold could potentially kill every one of them that set foot upon our world. And worse yet, they may bring it back to their own home. This would be my speculation as to why people are abducted. They could be trying to analyze our immune system and prepare themselves to ward off disease. There are millions of bacteria and viruses on this planet, many may be fatal to them.

They may very well be here to invade us, but cannot due to an immunodeficiency to our native diseases and are working on developing either protection of a sort or enhancing their own immune system.

The fact is, we just don't know their intentions, if they in fact exist at all.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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I completely agree with Nick Popes statement, ATS is full of loonies...Just look at some of the ridiculous threads and claims people make on this website....It's a joke. The sad thing is 90% of people on this sight are more interested in "reptilians" and/or "I can talk to alienz lolz" than the "real" serious threads such as "ATS in Roswell".

There are two groups of people on ATS and sadly it seems you fall into the majority *sigh*.

[edit on 28-1-2009 by SKUNK2]



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 07:40 AM
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Shoot down UFOs??


Considering that the UFO phenomenon is real, then it's obvious these pesky ETs who have traveled light years to arrive here in their FTL spaceships and probably millions of years ahead of us in technology, have the necessary means to protect themselves from hostile forces! It's like shooting peas at a stealth bomber!

So what the heck are these guys trying to achieve? Jeez! They need to get their heads examined!


They should concentrate on taking out Osama bin Laden and busting his ass for good instead of chasing mirages in the sky!

Cheers!


[edit on 28-1-2009 by mikesingh]



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Because, if you had some alien treaty, then you'd have some rules, and you wouldn't NEED to shoot at alien spacecraft. The alien authority would be called, and another UFO would come and deal with the miscreant. Either that, or Men In Black was a documentary.

>> This does NOT mean that the British AF isn't shooting at them -- it would only confirm the general insanity and testosterone laden decision making skills of people in the military. I'd sooner lob a spear at a damn ICBM.


Wouldn't it be very interesting if Men In Black was a documentry. It would be a double bluff. Logically the government would not allow a film about an organisation that doesn't officially exist in case it made people suspicious. So they allow the film (or make it themselves) because it will convince people the organisation isn't real because they think the government would not allow a film about such a secret organisation.

Also its RAF not British AF, just a tip.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
>> I don't believe any stories of "interstellar war." The ability to inflict damage far outweighs any benefit. Even now, if we had the will, we could end hunger and crushing poverty on this planet. With enough energy supplies and better technology -- how could any advanced society NEED anything but information from another society

Well they could be sadistic, genocidal, paranoid, psychotic, expansionist, arrogant. There are many reasons to kill instead of collecting information. They might enjoy it. They might view us as a parasite/plague/pest to be eradicated to make the world a better place. Maybe they can profit from slaves or the earths resources. Who knows. Interstellar war makes sense to me the same way any war does. There are many reasons for going to war. In fact us against them would be more along the lines of extermination than war. I am not saying this is for certain but you shouldn't rule it out.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:28 AM
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Originally posted by SKUNK2
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I completely agree with Nick Popes statement, ATS is full of loonies...Just look at some of the ridiculous threads and claims people make on this website....It's a joke. The sad thing is 90% of people on this sight are more interested in "reptilians" and/or "I can talk to alienz lolz" than the "real" serious threads such as "ATS in Roswell".

There are two groups of people on ATS and sadly it seems you fall into the majority *sigh*.

[edit on 28-1-2009 by SKUNK2]


Look, I come here for the wild ass speculation.

Really, with these sorts of things -- nobody talking is going to have much info. Yes, 99% is garbage and I'm pretty dang sure there aren't reptilian aliens or that this is a war post. But hey, if there weren't rampant speculation, there would only be 1% of the content.

It's also a creative exchange, an outlet for people who have things as much muddled as they do passion about it. Where else can someone take some mushrooms and then share their experience? And be taken seriously? And have people take notes? And have people say; "yeah, I read in the texts of Gilgamesh that this would come to be!"

If they were on Slashdot, they'd be torn to pieces for an attribution -- "no, I saw this in a dream!" And on Digg, their comments would be too long, and not contain comments about sex or Ron Paul, or at least an iPhone.

No, if we do not support people saying loony stuff here, then we have to listen to them at the airport and on park benches. It could be me out there, talking to my dogs; "You know your name spelled backwards is 'Gods,' don't you?" My dog then replies with some sage answer.

And in case you are worried that all this fun delegitimizes a search for alien contacts or shutting down vapor trails -- well heck, just visit Alex Jones sometimes. He's supposed be the fringe, yet he gets it right at least 50% of the time, and takes pains to be "serious." Look, nobody is going to take you seriously, unless you wear a tie, talk like you've been clenching a pickle in your buttocks all day, and are wrong 90% of the time. If you are wrong 95% of the time, you get on the paid circuit of media pundits.

I guarantee you that in another year, wild ass crazy will be the new legitimate. People will be taking notes from the crazies on the park bench and weeping; "We were wrong about everything."

Sure, all those lizard looking eyes on the web are probably JPEG artifacts, but who invented JPEG?



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
It wouldn't have to be a super virus. Any virus they brought here our body's immune system would not be able to defend against until it has developed immunities to the disease. This is much the same way viruses were spread on this planet when mass transportation was introduced. Cortes nearly killed the entire population of central America when his ships crew introduced what was harmless disease to their immune systems to the natives that had never had any contact with the disease before. A simple "alien cold" could have the potential to drive mankind to extinction.

Yes but a disease from an alien world could simply be plain incompatible with the human body. It might be unable to harm us. Say for arguments sake that the aliens are silicon-based. Then any disease of theirs would not be evolved to harm carbon-based lifeforms such as us.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:40 AM
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Assuming the UFO's they shoot at are of ET origin, and they haven't managed to dent one yet...you'd think that would tell them something?

Basically, if their defenses are so good we cannot dent them - then I wonder what their attack ability is like? Shooting at them just seems like a bad idea in case they ever decide to shoot back.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by Cauch1

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
>> I don't believe any stories of "interstellar war." The ability to inflict damage far outweighs any benefit. Even now, if we had the will, we could end hunger and crushing poverty on this planet. With enough energy supplies and better technology -- how could any advanced society NEED anything but information from another society

Well they could be sadistic, genocidal, paranoid, psychotic, expansionist, arrogant. There are many reasons to kill instead of collecting information. They might enjoy it. They might view us as a parasite/plague/pest to be eradicated to make the world a better place. Maybe they can profit from slaves or the earths resources. Who knows. Interstellar war makes sense to me the same way any war does. There are many reasons for going to war. In fact us against them would be more along the lines of extermination than war. I am not saying this is for certain but you shouldn't rule it out.


Humans are only slightly sadistic. We do seem to put psychopaths into power, way more often than tribes do -- because anyone who had real contact with these people not surrounded by PR specialists would have weeded them out.

So, society, gets more and more fragile actually, while technology gets more and more dangerous.

We went to war, to help BushCo get some "war time power." That's a pretty scary notion with a guy who has a suitcase and launch codes.

If we don't poison our planet and cause resource wars -- that will mean we have learned a little. It takes lot of lies and effort right now to justify wars. Don't you think next time, at least Americans will be a little more wary of "we must act now, we don't have time to learn the truth!" The Iran=Scary got shot down by most rational people I know.

Sure, if you were on the web, you might not think so, because the non-rational people type faster and don't have day jobs.

If you had a sadistic race -- they probably wouldn't make space flight. One crazy is all it would take at some point -- and so their society would have to find a way to weed out impulsive and angry beings before they got a hold of an advanced technology. The damage one person can do grows as our technology does.

Even if they made space flight, chances are that there are many races that have been around a lot longer.

Really, I don't see out it is possible. Any really dangerous race would get bottled up on their planets -- there are a million ways to do it.

Perhaps high mercury, MSG and corn syrup are in our diets to keep us dangerous humans from sharpening our brains and our swords? You only need to influence a few greedy, powerful people on any planet -- and the more dangerous the society (like ours) the easier it is.

How easy is it to pay someone a Million a year and become a talk show host and speak garbage to everyone?

So you might feel a little safer, if you realize that maybe the proof that dangerous aliens in space is probably not happening, because perhaps humans are not being allowed to get into space. Have we moved one inch since the trip to the moon? No.

But I seriously don't know. I just don't see warfare as anything possible or necessary for advanced races -- and if it were, that group would have been wiped out in a few thousand years. In the vastness of time, that would mean aggressive races would be one in a million.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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A theory:

-- The UFOs are above top secret U.S. military technology.

-- The reason there are so many sightings in the UK is because the U.S. is testing how well these craft are able to evade and dominate a state-of-the-art air force. Because we are strong allies, if we lost one in the UK we could more easily manage damage control (and possibly even squelch the release of information) compared to what might happen if we lost one in, say, Iran.

-- Although Earth has likely been visited by intelligent beings from other solar systems, such visits are probably extremely rare. Flying saucers and other anti-gravity tech are primarily the work of the U.S. military, via innovations spawned by the Germans toward the end of WWII.

-- The alien origin of flying saucers is a myth that has been promoted by authorities to keep people from catching on that these craft are U.S. military. A sophisticated disinformation program has existed for decades.

-- If this story were uncovered the # would hit the fan so bad that it could paralyze the military and challenge the very fiber of our system of governance because it would become known that policy makers, even most U.S. presidents, have been kept clueless about the development and deployment of this revolutionary propulsion technology.


Joe the skeptic



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Well, assuming we have opened fire on them, but been unable to bring them down...means we have hit them.

If they needed to protect themselves from that hit, they knew we were shooting at them, yet they didn't fire back.

If this is indeed all true, the only real shock they should get from being shot down, is that we managed to beat whatever they were protecting themselves from.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 09:53 AM
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Question:

And i may have missed this in the threads...

But what are we shooting them with? Bullets, anti-aircraft weaponry or what?



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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]i]Originally posted by newspig

A theory:

-- The UFOs are above top secret U.S. military technology.

A strong theory. I think many are with you on that one.



-- The reason there are so many sightings in the UK is because the U.S. is testing how well these craft are able to evade and dominate a state-of-the-art air force. Because we are strong allies, if we lost one in the UK we could more easily manage damage control (and possibly even squelch the release of information) compared to what might happen if we lost one in, say, Iran.


I wonder then if the UK military knows the truth, and it's some shadow Ops project between the allies. Or is the UK also being kept in the dark and the Uk troops DON'T know what they're up against.
Or would it be 'need to know' chain of command sytem?



-- Although Earth has likely been visited by intelligent beings from other solar systems, such visits are probably extremely rare. Flying saucers and other anti-gravity tech are primarily the work of the U.S. military, via innovations spawned by the Germans toward the end of WWII.


Ahaa, operation paperclip (i think). Where certain scientists who had been developing weapons for the nazi's were suddenly pardoned and transferred to the US to work on ultra-top secret projects.

So maybe it's reverse engineering work on possible crashed crafts? Or another alternative is that NO aliens have ever crashed on earth, but we have developed anti-grav on our own?




-- If this story were uncovered the # would hit the fan so bad that it could paralyze the military and challenge the very fiber of our system of governance because it would become known that policy makers, even most U.S. presidents, have been kept clueless about the development and deployment of this revolutionary propulsion technology.


I don't think it would be taken with such a shock these days. We are already being programmed and conditioned by the media for worse events, so i believe the process of disclosure is on a rise.
Who says none of the leaders know nothing about such things?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but surely some would know something?

Good post.



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 10:07 AM
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posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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So mexico is in some pretty bad shambles then? where can i find information regarding the areas of conflict with cartels?? i was going to travel soon... PM me.


These are a few of the threads posted here recently on ATS regarding the current violence in Mexico:


Mexico Thread 1 Above Top Secret

Mexico Thread 2 Above Top Secret

Mexico Thread 3 Above Top Secret

Baja, the border regions with the US and the southern areas of the country around Oaxxa are especially rife with violence according to news reports.

Mexico has also reported an increase in UFO sightings recently too. As unlikely as it is I wonder if the two events could be interconnected in any way?

You can always check with the local Consulates too and check with the State Department's web site for any travel advisories or warnings.

I hope you have a great trip there!



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 10:29 AM
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Question: And i may have missed this in the threads...But what are we shooting them with? Bullets, anti-aircraft weaponry or what?


The article I started the original post on doesn't specify the types of weaponry. It just stated that none of the weapons used by the fighter jets had any impact on the UFOs being fired upon.

It would be interesting to know what typed of weapons they have used.

Great question and thank you for your participation in the post!



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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If this is indeed all true, the only real shock they should get from being shot down, is that we managed to beat whatever they were protecting themselves from.


It would be interesting to know what type of review they put into each occurence and if there are any attempts being made to gleen technical information from them for the purposes of developing different types of weapon systems to try.

I wonder what kind of priority they might or might not be placing on coming up with a strategy and the means to bring one down.




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