Brits Shoot at UFOs, Ex-official Says

reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


Thanks for the info. Like I said I am no physicist and have an extremely limited amount of knowledge in the area. Your post has helped me understand quite a bit more than I did 10 minutes ago.

Originally posted by Matyas
If you want to start talking capabilities...

...if one of these craft released a fraction of their energy a good portion of Earth would be scorched.

They zip around the Earth orbit at or slightly above a million mph. Most of them don't have heat signatures, I think it is the exception if they do.

If you want to know what grace and mercy is, then look to them, for if judgment were up to them we would have been toast long ago.

I could imagine some stealth technology, but why 1 million mph? Wouldn't 300,000 mph do, or how about 3 million?

The point is; we have slow-motion cameras that can just about capture a millionth of a second.

The other point is; there is no point to traveling that fast. I'm sure, given enough technology, you might travel through air without disturbing it, creating a wake, or heating up the atoms. I figure there are a few easy ways to turn heat into light anyway -- but that's another topic.

If I'm traveling a million miles an hour, I'm on the other side of the earth before I can blink. Of course, maybe the aliens are in a time pocket, or have given up organic existence for a cyber one -- they can process things that fast and enjoy the view. But where are they going and why bother?

If you don't want to be seen, you stand off a few hundred thousand miles and view remotely. If you travel here, you need a closer look or need to do something. If you actually need to look closer -- than you probably don't have technology that can allow you to pass through matter without heating it or disturbing it -- so therefore, you have a destination in mind.

So, even if you could travel that fast around the planet -- there is no point. You'd be on the ground with landing pod out in an eye blink. Of course, after you've damped the energy of 50,000 atomic bombs from moving at a million mph to zero in a millionth of a second -- but I'm just pulling a number out of my rear.

>> If aliens confided in you -- why would they not give you something that was some definitive information that was something that could be proved, and would show someone else that you knew something? Either that, or they just want to frustrate you.

I'll go for principles of using coherent matter, to vibrate space/time in such a way that the craft is transparent to electromagnetic radiation -- that's how I'd do it. That still doesn't get you completely around turbulence, because the non-coherent matter is not going to pass through regular matter without some interference -- causing heat. But, it's likely that these aliens are smarter than me, so maybe they figured that out. I've only been thinking about it for a few months, after all.

There is plenty of space to slide through matter -- the distance between the nucleus of an atom and the electron is about like the distance from the sun to Jupiter. What causes light and other matter to bounce off, is the interference of the strong forces holding the atom together. All the atoms are resonating and creating different interference patterns. It's kind of hard to understand, but you have to keep atoms with their current patterns, otherwise the pass through each other, but you create a subcarrier resonance that is coherent, that makes you like glass to light AND matter. I'm just guessing, though.

So, you might want to travel at a sluggish 30,000 mph, and cloak your ship. Going a million MPH is just showing off, and does not allow for any sightseeing.

Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst

 

Thanks for the info. Like I said I am no physicist and have an extremely limited amount of knowledge in the area. Your post has helped me understand quite a bit more than I did 10 minutes ago.

PLEASE, don't quote me as "INFO." Half of that is actual physics and the other half is stuff I figured out on my own -- which means it could be total gibberish. Even if true, it will sound like Gibberish to another physicist, because I'm using my own terms, having come to all of this on my own.

It is only when I occasionally take a peak at Quantum Theory, and finally recognize we are saying the same things with different imagery that I get any confidence at all.

But seriously, it won't impress anyone to repeat it. The people who just barely understand QT would not recognize the "facts" and principles in the same way that they read it -- anyone that worked this hard to know this much has a hard time with different vocabulary, much less any deviation from dogma. Only people who understand physics in a way that they "see it" would either get the ideas, or be having their own theory.

I'm either a sage or a fool and at that point, few can tell the difference.

Originally posted by moocowman
reply to post by Anonymous ATS

 

Nick Pope on FOX

OMG was that interviewer so dumb !

Wow you're not kidding. Nick Pope is trying to tell them this is "official" and they keep dishing this "wow...really...where did this come from?". A rather poor interview all around while Nick tries to educate.

There is a definite knowledge divide in society over UFOs. Some of us are so far ahead that going on general public television to talk is like watching someone educate a 1st grader on why the sky is blue.

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by welivefortheson

 

I've determined that the only thing that is impossible is Time Travel. Kind of throws a wrench in your evil time-traveling computer AI theory, now doesn't it.

;-)

not really considering time travel has been proven,particles travelling back in time and arriving at detector before they were sent.
and non public experiments are even more revealing.
a recent crack down on a public time travel experiment further reveals that fact.

i also doubt you are the sole almighty source of whether time travel is possible.

your desire to be so indicates you have a strong desire to not believe in time travel.
and that desire is governed by threat,you are threatened by the concept of time travel being real,you strongly wish it not to be.

oh an assuming the "man" himself isnt some form of hyperspace entity or the like,it would have to be a large form of computer......a sitting duck me thinks,his ample and glutinous frame is bound to stand out!,not very mobile me thinks!.
if not,perhaps it is a ship,a mother ship......a bit harder to combat of course but its bound to be fat ready for the roasting!



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reply to post by welivefortheson


source... I want to see

Originally posted by Matyas
If you want to start talking capabilities...

...if one of these craft released a fraction of their energy a good portion of Earth would be scorched.

They zip around the Earth orbit at or slightly above a million mph. Most of them don't have heat signatures, I think it is the exception if they do.

If you want to know what grace and mercy is, then look to them, for if judgment were up to them we would have been toast long ago.

oh cmon matyas you know fair well a few dozen teslas,a time machine and a multi trillion dollar funding would compete with them quite easily.
humans can often be underestimated!

and if they scorch earth they wreck their present time somewhat.....whos really got thier finger on the button....all them rat holes under the earth,hell all it takes is a meeting of scalar waves in the depths of the earth and kaboom!,subterranian scalar wave energy bottles!

but i do agree if not for higher grace humans earth would be somewhat.......non existant.

now lets hope that grace was for a reason,not just to minimize suffering,but to allow an ultimate unexpected victory,to create a parabel of compassion,showing it has positive value beyond a moral belief,and that self serving hostility and power mongering will often lead to ruin.
amazing....it is...grace.
human grace.

Originally posted by welivefortheson

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
reply to post by welivefortheson

 

I've determined that the only thing that is impossible is Time Travel. Kind of throws a wrench in your evil time-traveling computer AI theory, now doesn't it.

;-)

not really considering time travel has been proven,particles travelling back in time and arriving at detector before they were sent.
and non public experiments are even more revealing.
a recent crack down on a public time travel experiment further reveals that fact.

i also doubt you are the sole almighty source of whether time travel is possible.

your desire to be so indicates you have a strong desire to not believe in time travel.
and that desire is governed by threat,you are threatened by the concept of time travel being real,you strongly wish it not to be.

Thanks for that. I had the best chuckle all day. Really.

I'm threatened by time travel. ...

It would be cool if it were possible.

The particles arriving at detectors before they were sent. Well, we've got a problem with that kind of test -- I'd have to be more familiar with it to say for sure, but it's possible that since we are talking a small particle -- that ramping up the energy to send it causes a detection.

Can you receive the particle and NOT send it if you detect the particle in this experiment? That would be an important test of causality.

Also, if their is a "crack down on time experiments" what exactly constitutes a "time machine?" What are people doing to manipulate time? The only way I've heard of is acceleration or high gravity -- and that slows it down.

The way I "see" this happening, you can even reverse time -- but like I said, there is nothing "back there," its an energy potential. Slow down time enough and particles expand -- as can be seen in a nuclear accelerator. You have to go faster than the speed of light, or you punch through space/time and then you've just affected your position in space/time. Like I said, you can jump down the river and look at the water that passed -- but it doesn't have the same pattern.

The only way I can see time preserved as a "scene" is that the Universe spawns a new dimension at every moment.

I think this does take place, but all of them but one are destroyed. Again, a theory of mine and it has to do with why things move or even have a charge. A lot of the theories are true and not true at the same time. A multiverse is created but only one exists. There is time travel but you can't preserve state.

Quantum mechanics points to not knowing the speed and position of a particle at the same time -- if you could go back in time, you could determine this. But personally, I think its because we test things by throwing the equivalent of a cannon ball at them.

That's the problem, a lot of this theory works with the byproducts of smashing very small things at high speeds. You would think that two pocket watches were merely a spontaneous arrangement of spiky things not knowing they were gears.

I'd be happy to entertain some time travel theories, if I saw one that made sense.

Originally posted by ufo reality
reply to post by weemadmental

 

Nick Pope is 44 years old. He spent 25 years with the MOD. Smart guy, and someone I consider not only a contact but a friend.

Smart guy? Are you sure about that?

"There was a faction in the MoD who said 'We want to shoot down a UFO and that will resolve the issue one way or another,'"

I thought that the issue was resolved a long time ago by all the crash-landed UFO captured by the government and stashed away in "Hangar 18," as the ufologists have been producing "evidence" after "evidence" that the government has been lying about the truth regarding the UFO. Now Nick Pope lets down his brothers in arms by saying that in order to arrive at conclusive material evidence of UFOs being indeed ET-made objects, the MoD tried to resolve the issue not by visiting Hangar 18, but attempting to shoot it down in order to look at it.

The only thing that MoD did resolve is the meaning of the word "ufology." It is apparently some kind of mental disorder that manifests itself by hangar 18 episodes.

Great...now aliens think we are all hostile. There going to come back full force like in independence day and destroy the world.

They're breaking the news to the population gradually, not like the War of the Worlds broadcast. If they broke the news about the reality of UFO's to us too soon, the world wouldn't be able to handle it and mass chaos would ensue.

This thread communicates a good policy to all other nations Spy Craft.
It basically means: “Come here, uninvited, looking for evidence of our military capabilities-operations and we will to try shoot down you’re aircraft so we can analyse it; perhaps even recycle its technology for a spy craft we can use against you.”

Regarding UFO’s
If I were an explorer intruding onto wild animals hunting territory e.g. bears, tigers, leopards or wolves I would not be surprised if they tried to attack me; especially if they were hungry or thought I was a threat to either their territory or young.

So frankly common sense should tell UFO’s that if they get attacked by the RAF they should really have just been more careful in how they deal with wild animals.
After all wild animals could have any kind of instincts or concepts. This would be especially true if the wild animals concerned are from another planet.
So it should even hold true if it means the animal in question is called “Mankind” and seem (through cities) to have dominated pretty much of all of one planet.

If real UFO’s don’t get shot down it should hardly come of any surprise given all the distance they must have travelled.