The U.S. Is Required To Bring George W Bush & Donald Rumsfeld Before A Court! U.N. War Crimes, page 8
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reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 01:12 AM by lunarminer
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


If you were not refering to the al-Qaeda terrorists who were waterboarded then what are you refering to? From all accounts that I have read, waterboarding was only used on al-Qaeda.

If you are refering to humiliation that those in Abu Grab were subjected to? I think that it is clear that those actions were not authorized and those who conducted them have already faced a Court Marshal. No further punishment is permissable under our Constitution. It's a matter of Double Jeopardy.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 01:16 AM by lunarminer
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


You said, "And yet, there are people now rationalizing the NEED for the torture. Why then, were they trying to hide it if this were such a noble search for justice?

I feel bad for anyone who went from "we would never do that" to " we only did it to really bad people."

I first read about waterboarding in 2003. If the government was trying to hide it, then they did a poor job. As for me, my opinion has not changed since I first heard about it. I also have not read anywhere, that anyone other than the 3 al-Qaeda members were waterboarded. If you have information that someone else was waterboarded then please post it.

If you are refering to something else, then by all means share that information as well.



reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 04:20 AM by skeptic_al
Originally posted by lunarminer
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst



They are terrorists and conducted terroristic acts, so they are not eligible for
humanitarian treatment in my opinion.


You were right the 11/9 terrorists were terrorists, butt.......

Have you worked out why these terrorists, were only interested
attacking the USofA. This was before Afghanistan, Iraq
and Iran. So why would they pick on Umerica?


Some other helpful hints:
The Bali,Spain,London bombings had nothing to do 11/9 or El-Queda


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 08:20 AM by centurion1211
Originally posted by Keyhole
Originally posted by centurion1211

I believe in setting precedents and in 'slippery slopes'. You do this to one leader and how long before any and every group with a real or imagined axe to grind files charges against obama and/or any other world leader.

Think about it. I mean really think about what you'd be setting all world leaders up for in your zeal to nail Bush.



So, what your saying is that, no matter what any leader of any country does, they should never have to answer to ANYBODY for crimes they may have committed or ordered during their reign as leader?

That's ridiculous!

Never mind the "get out of jail free" card, you are saying that leaders of countries should not have to adhere to ANY laws anywhere, and would never even need a "get out of jail free" card!

All the other world leaders have nothing to worry about unless they broke a law/committed a crime, or ordered a law to be broken!

If they couldn't do their jobs as leaders without breaking laws, they should have resigned!

Despite what a lot of people say, laws weren't made to be broken, especially by our leaders who should be held to a higher standard!

[edit on 1/27/2009 by Keyhole]


No, I say let's round up ALL the world leaders that have ever done anything against any other country or peoples and let's start with them. We can start with iran's Ahmadinejad, since he was in on the embassy takeover - a violation of international law.

Since no one is calling for the rest of the world's leaders to be tried for any of their crimes, I maintain that this is simply a new manifestation of the same old tedious Bush witch hunt that we've been subjected to for years.

No different than when Hannity brings up Clinton and Whitewater for what seems like the 4000th time. It's over. Time to find something new and more important to occupy your mind and your time.

Ever considered turning around to see what's happening right in front of you, instead of remaining mired in the past?

[edit on 1/28/2009 by centurion1211]


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 08:50 AM by BlueRaja
Originally posted by lunarminer
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst




I first read about waterboarding in 2003. If the government was trying to hide it, then they did a poor job. As for me, my opinion has not changed since I first heard about it. I also have not read anywhere, that anyone other than the 3 al-Qaeda members were waterboarded. If you have information that someone else was waterboarded then please post it.

If you are refering to something else, then by all means share that information as well.



This is a good point. We know 3 Al Qaeda members were waterboarded, and we know there have been examples of mistreatment(i.e. Abu Ghraib), where the perpetrators have been discharged and convicted. I'd love to see some proof that torture was routine, and a matter of policy at any other time/location. Everyone loves to assume that every detainee is being paraded around and humiliated, and treated harshly on a daily basis. There just isn't any evidence that this is the case, and their whole case against Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld, requires this to have been the situation. They have an unnatural desire to believe the worst allegations to be true, and then some, because in their minds, Bush is worse than Hitler and Stalin, so it must be true.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 09:47 AM by alienj
reply to post by questioningall


What a joke, I wish these people would just go away... I thought the bush hater syndrome would go away when Obama got in office but I guess not, they got thier president and now he isnt doing what they want so their going crazy pulling at everystring they can. I reall feel sorry for these people that have no life and nothing but hatered to live for.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:23 AM by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by ludaChris
Originally posted by questioningall

You have to watch the video, it IS against the law in the U.S., due to the fact that Reagan signed a treaty, that makes it International law and U.S. law.



Well, not so fast, as much as I would like to see those two brought to justice for their crimes. The President doesn't have the constitutional authority to enter into ANY agreements with other nations. They do it anyways because they can get away with it. But I bet if they did try to bring them to trial under this treaty, they'd head for cover under the constitution like they love it all the sudden.

Treaties Plain and Simple

[edit on 1/27/2009 by ludaChris]


That was what I was trying to say; Treaties are a big deal and we ARE subject to them -- otherwise, no country would trust the treaty, right? We get into wars because of treaties. If a country loses credibility on a treaty, then it is a HUGE foreign relations nightmare.

But Bush was creating treaties in everything but name without congress -- and he spit on SALT and Non proliferation treaties. Most other nations are probably convinced that his admin gave A Q Kahn the nuclear secrets that Pakistan proliferates and it was out in the open we helped Iran. I say this off the top of my head, but I'm sure I could find a dozen treaties we've broken, and backdoor ones we've entered into.

That SOB was a cancer in so many ways. I would give a thousand bucks to a lawyer to bring charges against him and tell my grandchildren I was proud to do it. I don't have a thousand bucks to spare, by the way.


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:36 AM by questioningall
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst


You said it perfectly. The one thing I do not understand, is the people that stand behind Bush no matter what. He committed war crimes, it is obvious, he lied over and over to all of us about things, and when the absolute evidence was presented, he would finally admit the truth.

Yet, people still see him as "moral", the man had NO morals, look at what he did.

We have to bring him to trial - due to the treaty, otherwise as I have stated before, all other countries can ignore any treaties we have signed with them.

What is it, that people don't get...... NO ONE is above the law! Including past presidents.



reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:41 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Srvyr1969
I can't belive that at this late date that people still think that a "President" can commit ilegal acts, and expect to get away with it!!...torture, is mild to the deaths of over 3000 inocent people in 911.We have very honerable, and decorated military types, that are willing to put their careers on the line, and testify as to things that they have knowlege about concerning 911.Maybe now that that monster(BUSH) and company, are out of office, these people will be able to bring this type of information to light for the world to see. We know what happened, we just don't want to deal with the horror, and responsibility of what this man and his elite bunch did!!!my only living prayer is that this man is brought to justice for all of his crimes!! G Leclare Canada


reply posted on 28-1-2009 @ 10:59 AM by lunarminer
reply to post by questioningall


You said "What is it, that people don't get...... NO ONE is above the law! Including past presidents."

Well let me explain it to you. Some of us actually know what the law says and we have pointed it out very clearly. For instance, I posted about the international courts that exist and what our obligations are.

I also posted about waterboarding and other than 3 al-Qaeda terrorists there are no others cases that I can find where it was applied.

Abu Graib, did occure but those who humiliated prisoners have already been dealt with under our own laws. So, there is no case here.

The facts are that there is no evidence of sanctioned torture. If there is no evidence then there is no case against President Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc.

The law is the law and it is not something that you can bend based on your own emotions and/or politics.
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