The truth about Native Americans, page 2
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reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 02:56 AM by cenpuppie
reply to post by violet



Not quite right, but your on track!

There are pretty much 3 distinctive ethic divergent groups of Cro-magnum (as i see things..and i'm always right till i find out i'm wrong, hehe)

1) European (including the Mediterraneans)

2)African/Indian (from INDIA)

3)Asian Pacific/Inuit/Native American


The ethnic groups we have now are a mixing of those three main ones.


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 09:21 AM by noobfun
reply to post by cenpuppie



then be prepared to be wrong

and not just becasue you spelt it like dirty harrys weapon of choice (do you feel lucky mammoth? well do ya?)

cro-magnon isnt a species its a name given to early european homo-sapiens sapiens, its a casual term for neolithic europeans from 35,000bc upto the end of the last ice age 10,000 bc

anthropology.si.edu...

www.talkorigins.org...

cro-magnon doesnt really mean anything its still used simply to distinguish them from neanderthal when talking about european anthropology/archaeology




[edit on 27/1/09 by noobfun]


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 09:58 AM by NativeAmerican
I found this link: www.redicecreations.com...

The problem is is I don't know how accurate it is since I'm not involved with this kind of stuff. I thought it was interesting because it mentioned the tribe I'm related to as having the most potent portion of the X gene.



reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 10:12 AM by cenpuppie
reply to post by noobfun



Ah, your right! I was thinking of modern man or homo sapien


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 11:41 AM by apacheman
reply to post by RFBurns



Shi'is Ind'eh!

Greetings, cousin!

Is is always good to find another Apache: we are so few these days.

Chiricahua Apache here.



reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:13 PM by apacheman
First, forget pretty much everything you were taught in school. The vast majority of it has been debunked in the last few years of research.

Native Americans have been on this continent for at least 15,000 years ago, minimum, based on recent carbon dating of finds in in southern Chile and elsewhere:

www.sciencedaily.com...
www.sciencedaily.com...
indiancountrynews.net...
www3.interscience.wiley.com...

Unless you willing to assert that the people who founded this settlement had a map that showed them where to go and how to get there, then the logical conclusion is that humans have been in the Americas for thousands of years before that, since you hve to allow time for exploration, settlement, exploitation, growth, expansion, exploration, settlement, exploitation, etc. It generally takes a few generations of growth before an area is crowded enough to get people to move on into the unknown. Most population models seemed to think the early americans knew exactly where Tierra del Fuego and the Bahamas were and raced each other to settle them. Laughable, but taken seriously...anything to minimize the time so that the Euros could feel themselves just the latest wave coming into an "empty land".

There have been several waves of humanity arriving here in several pulses over a very long span of time, following different routes: coastal via the kelp beds that run from Asia to South America, overland via the "ice-free corridor", perhaps coastal from Europe but that route lacks friendly kelp beds, more likely a South American-Africa connection via island hopping.

But no discussion of the early populations can begin until you understand what happened about 13K years ago:

www.realclimate.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.sciencemag.org...
www.washingtonpost.com...
fireballs-meteorites.blogspot.com...

Basically, a Tungaska-like event, but bigger, occurred over the Laurentide ice sheet, causing global climate change and floods, but particularly devasting North America, reducing populations of everything to extinction or near-extinctions levels. If you look at the reports of the first Europeans, the civilizations they described were consistent with what you might expect of "survivor civilizations": the focus was on agronomy and organizational skills, the development of multiple varietals of basic food types that could survive any type of growing condition, democratic governance, greater emphasis upon cooperation over competition, generally non-genocidal warfare, etc. The non-American civilizations exhibit the characteristics of a stressed habitiat minus the catastrophic population collapse: fierce competition, concentration of power, hoarding and so on.

Hope this helps.

[edit on 27-1-2009 by apacheman]


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:36 PM by apacheman
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I wonder if anyone has found the "x" type in the Ainu of northern Japan, another "out-of-place" caucasoid group?

That is an interesting read, and a possible aftereffect of Younger Dryas impact event I referred to in my earlier post. It certainly seems to offer evidence that a unique regional population was very nearly wiped out by something, and its survivors scattered in all directions. I'll have to track that one.

thanks for the link.


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:40 PM by asmeone2
reply to post by apacheman



Yeah thanks, that is what I was getting at.

It seems that some of these tribes have oral traditions that say they lived in the Americas for tens of thousands of years.

Western archaologists just discount that as impossible, because they can't see a written record of it.

It's arrogant, here they have the cultures they are studying right in front of them, but act like these people are too stupid to keep their own past straight!


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:50 PM by NativeAmerican
reply to post by asmeone2



For real. We were even here before these European archaeologists lol. I think we would know.


reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 01:56 PM by asmeone2
Originally posted by NativeAmerican
reply to
post by asmeone2



For real. We were even here before these European archaeologists lol. I think we would know.


I tread very carefully because as far as I know I do not actually have any Native ethnicity but I am so interested by the various cultures and religious beleifs. I just try to be careful enough to get it from a true source, i.e. one that hadn't diluted the message to sell it to the new-age crowd.

Anyway I am glad you have brought up this discussoin.



reply posted on 27-1-2009 @ 04:41 PM by speaknoevil07
reply to post by apacheman



Do you know what Indians were in the Wichata Falls TX area? I am from there orignally and my greatgreat grandmother was fullblood indian. we have pictures but not names or anything. She was very tall and thin....well tall for the time...5-10 or so. She had on western american clothing...old frontier dress but had very high cheek bones. I am sorry I don't know but I was given to a foster family and only after my grandma died and my cousins found me they gave me whatever pics I wanted.....this was one. late 1880's early 1900's I think. My family helped found Archer City Tx. If that helps....
speaknoevil07
ps any help is appreciated and I apologize for not knowing more. ....
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