Bloody Monday: Over 71,400 jobs lost, page 1
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Topic started on 26-1-2009 @ 07:58 PM by KonigKaos
money.cnn.com...


NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The final week of January began with a bloodbath for the job market, as over 71,400 more cuts were announced on Monday alone.


More than 200,000 job cuts have been announced so far this year, according to company reports. Nearly 2.6 million jobs were lost over 2008, the highest yearly job-loss total since 1945.





This is horrible news to the already battered US Economy and heavily over burdened US Tax Payer. I myself have been out of work since Nov 1 2008


who else is being effected by the Economic Turmoil, your thoughts on the bailouts, Stimulus, and possible US Federal collapse of 2009 and anything you have to add would be grateful.

[edit on 26-1-2009 by KonigKaos]


reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 08:35 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by KonigKaos



We must restore tariffs and withdraw from all of these unfair trade agreements!
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that 10 cents an hour labor vs a living wage for workers in the US is an unfair trade advantage! NO TO NAFTA, NO TO GATT, NO TO WTO!! American jobs for Americans and let the foreigner pay tariffs if they want to do business with the US.

Since Reagan the entire plan has been to destroy the US middle class with various paper pushing scams. In order to create REAL wealth you must produce something with added value. The entire "New Economy" was based on Wall St deceptions and shakedowns! With the regulatory green light given by the past administration!

The US is in urgent need of it's manufacturing base creating value from real assets and selling them on the open market. Unlike many nations we are fully capable of prospering without the aid of other countries.

Let's get rid of these paper pushers creating "wealth" by moving paper! Smart guys...so smart they have run our country into a ditch while they prosper with their bonuses and golden parachutes.

In the 1960's the average CEO pay vs the average worker. Take a look at this graph. Do you think they are worth 600 times your wages???






If a company is incorporated in the US it should pay US taxes. If they choose to move offshore then they should be charged tariffs to sell their products in the US!

[edit on 26-1-2009 by Leo Strauss]


reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 09:38 PM by badgerprints
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
reply to
post by KonigKaos



We must restore tariffs and withdraw from all of these unfair trade agreements!
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that 10 cents an hour labor vs a living wage for workers in the US is an unfair trade advantage! NO TO NAFTA, NO TO GATT, NO TO WTO!! American jobs for Americans and let the foreigner pay tariffs if they want to do business with the US.


[edit on 26-1-2009 by Leo Strauss]


This reminds me of history.
Ever hear of the Hawley - Smoot Tarriff?


reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 10:05 PM by David9176
reply to post by Portugoal





Today, the U.S is still very much in two wars and they are firing that many people.


Well lets hope that they don't think that the problem is that the war's aren't big enough.

I'm tired of war.

But this just adds to how screwed up everything is right now.


reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 10:35 PM by Leo Strauss
Originally posted by badgerprints
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
reply to
post by KonigKaos



We must restore tariffs and withdraw from all of these unfair trade agreements!
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that 10 cents an hour labor vs a living wage for workers in the US is an unfair trade advantage! NO TO NAFTA, NO TO GATT, NO TO WTO!! American jobs for Americans and let the foreigner pay tariffs if they want to do business with the US.


[edit on 26-1-2009 by Leo Strauss]


This reminds me of history.
Ever hear of the Hawley - Smoot Tarriff?


Ever hear of modern unfair trade practices that hurt American jobs?

A promise to abide by World Trade Organization (WTO) rules was one of the prerequisites that enabled China to join the WTO in 2001.

Seven years later, the WTO has ruled that China continues to break trade rules by taxing imported auto parts at the same rate as foreign-made cars.

Unfortunately, international trade consultants expect slow progress in resolving this dispute. The WTO often takes years before authorizing retaliatory sanctions to correct unfair trade tariffs in the global trade arena.
Chinese Car Demand

Representing millions of potential car sales, China holds a very strong hand in world automotive industry with a vast cohort of wealthy Chinese buyers.

According to Brian Klapper from the Associated Press, Chinese demand for cars soared 22% to 8.8 million in 2007. Trailing only the United States and Japan, China’s car market is the third largest in the world.

While Chinese consumers buy foreign-made automobiles, at least 40% of car parts in fully assembled vehicles have to be sourced from within China. Otherwise, international car exporters have to pay a significant Chinese import duty.

Car makers from Canada, the U.S. and the EU complain that China imposes tariffs on auto parts at the same rate as on foreign-made finished cars, thus violating WTO trade rules that China agreed to when the People’s Republic joined the WTO. At the same time, unfettered Chinese auto exports are booming.



reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 11:24 PM by tinfoilman
Yeah, these layoffs are causing a cascade. You lay people off and then they buy less stuff and it causes more lay offs, but there's something most people forget. It's worse than that. You don't just lose money from the people that got laid off. When big amounts of layoffs are happening people that still have their jobs hear about it in the news. Even though they still have jobs they get scared and start saving their money too. It's a cycle but we might get out of it. Probably will get out of it somehow because these big companies don't all want to go broke. They don't care about the people, but they do care about lost profits so when it gets bad enough they'll have to start hiring. Even if they hire people to dig holes and hire someone else to come along behind them and fill them up. They'll have to eventually.

I don't know if it's gonna be this time. I think we might bounce back from this one sometime late this year. However, I still think we all need to start thinking about a new way. A completely new idea than what we're doing. Ever since America was started all we've done is try to find ways to eliminate work by either replacing people with machines or new technologies or mass production or outsourcing labor or finding new efficient ways to do things.

Normally this is a good thing for profits and many people have more money. However, I've always worried about some kind of critical mass number of lost jobs. Especially if robots and machines ever become intelligent enough. Kind of like Peak Oil for labor. It's not that we'll be completely out of jobs, but the worker to work ratio will get so far off from each other that we'll have all these people to feed but there won't be any labor for them to do. What do we do if that happens? Is that what's happening now? I wouldn't know how to solve a problem like that.




[edit on 26-1-2009 by tinfoilman]
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