If Flight 77 didn't hit the Pentagon, what happened to the passengers?

I've heard the theory a thousand times over: a missile, or a small plane, hit the Pentagon on September 11th, not American Airlines Flight 77.

And I've heard the numerous evidence cited to support this theory: eye witness accounts, suspicious actions of the government (i.e.: security tapes disappearing, slips of the tongue, etc.), and the poor quality of the existing footage, among other things.

However, I haven't heard any theories on what happened to Flight 77 if it didn't hit the Pentagon? I think it's safe to say that a plane took off, carrying 64 people. We know their names, their families have publicly accounted for them, etc. So what happened to these 64 people if they did not die in the Pentagon attack?

So lets hear the theories, no matter how straight forward or outlandish they may seem. And if you have evidence to refute the idea (ie: bodies, personal belongings, etc.), feel free to share those as well.

Excellent question, they did not vanish into thin air and they are all on airport videotape so they definitely existed. I've never heard anyone try to anwer this one, and I side with those who call 911 a work.

This is one thing that makes me wonder about the entire proposition of a false-flag event.

It is fair to assume though, that is a government were willing to cause so much death and destruction on the ground, a few hundred more in those planes wouldn't be an obstacle to them.

But, have you seen the Northwoods document?

It states a plan to "appear" to have a hijacked aircraft, when in fact all those on board would be hired government staff. They would be removed from a plane before it is destroyed.

I have to say that, personally, I have seen one or two family members of passengers on the planes, as opposed to hundreds from those in the buildings.

There is little said about them, little information, as opposed to the massive amount of information about those who died in WTC1 and 2.

I am not convinced that 9/11 was an inside job, neither am I convinced that it wasn't. I do believe there is a lot of evidence to show that the US government knew about it, covered things up, or possibly did have involvement in it. There is little actual evidence that Osama, AQ, or those named actually did do anything.
I cannot simply accept a government telling me what happened when the evidence seems to show otherwise.

I believe that if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, the people on that plane didn't exist to begin with.

Maybe they used them to feed the reptilians that our government is hiding underground.

reply to post by detachedindividual


The only conspiracy about 9/11 is the conspiracy of the mob-dominated construction business in NYC that erected the WTC complex out of inferior materials. This construction-skimming nets the mob over a billion dollars a year and involves total systemic corruption from the building and permits department to the construction materials suppliers, to the building contractors, to the actual workmen themselves who, on the take, install inferior beams, inferior bolts, and inferior concrete (which is the reason why the concrete turned to powder instead of coming down in chunks). Inferior construction caused the WTC buildings to pancake; it happens all the time in the third world where the building industry is corrupted too.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I believe that if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, the people on that plane didn't exist to begin with.

Here is a fairly detailed list of all of the passengers and crew members of Flight 77:
whatreallyhappened.com...

It is one thing to believe in a matter like this, but we need evidence if we are going to lay any of this to rest (or revive the investigation). Were those people on that list real? If so, were they on Flight 77 that morning? And if so, what happened to them if Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon?

Originally posted by LottiBoi
Maybe they used them to feed the reptilians that our government is hiding underground.

Ridiculing used to work especially well in the pre-90s time, not nowadays.

Originally posted by walman

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I believe that if a plane didn't hit the Pentagon, the people on that plane didn't exist to begin with.

Here is a fairly detailed list of all of the passengers and crew members of Flight 77:
whatreallyhappened.com...

It is one thing to believe in a matter like this, but we need evidence if we are going to lay any of this to rest (or revive the investigation). Were those people on that list real? If so, were they on Flight 77 that morning? And if so, what happened to them if Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon?

This is the problem I have, I could create a person within five minutes. Give me a couple of million $ and I could easily convince any of you that they existed.

Again, look at the Northwoods document, and the plan that these government staff would be on a well publicized trip as students having won a competition.

How would they have convinced people that those employees were normal citizens?

They obviously had the ways and means to convince the entire world that a plane full of innocent students was destroyed by terrorists, and that was decades ago.

Money talks, and the US government has an immense financial pool to draw from to fund black projects. We all know this. And we all know they have previously considered a plan which would require them to "create" a whole manifest of passengers and convince the world that those passengers had been murdered by terrorists.

reply to post by walman


Here's how I see it....

We have evidence proving a deception on 9/11.

Not theories, hard evidence proving a deception.

The implications of this are that a certain very powerful group of sociopaths had no qualms slaughtering almost 3,000 innocent people in cold blood as justification for permanent global war where countless 10's of thousands more innocents have been butchered and poisoned to feed their sick agenda.

Since it's impossible to obtain any evidence regarding the fate of the passengers I find it morbid and pointless to "theorize" the exact method that was used to murder them.

Just my opinion.

The passengers were real and they are really dead. There is enough clear footage of the attack aftermath that one can clearly see pieces of the plane and parts showing the American Airlines logo and colors. It was an airplane and real people died.

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT


Since it's impossible to obtain any evidence regarding the fate of the passengers I find it morbid and pointless to "theorize" the exact method that was used to murder them.

Just my opinion.

This is as disingenuous as it comes. CIT will attempt to hijack this thread because they know that questions like these put their fantasy to the test.

Capt. Jim Ingledue of the Virginia Beach Fire Dept & Mark Willams of the from Fort Belvoir, Va squad both stated they saw passengers still strapped in their seats.

/kth3m

www.rense.com...


Collapse Rescue Operations At The Pentagon 9-11 Attack A Case Study on Urban Search and Rescue Disaster Response

When a victim was located, work in the area was halted to protect the body, personal belongings, and evidence. An FBI evidence team (one of several on constant standby in front of the collapse) would document the site and gather evidence. If physical extrication was required, a Rescue Squad from the assigned US&R task force was given this task. The next step in the process was a Military Mortuary Team who collected and removed the victim from the building.

All the debris removed from the building was spread out by the heavy equipment, and (on the signal of the IST US&R Specialist) the equipment would stop and Canine Search Teams from the US&R Task Forces would deploy across the material in search of any scent indicating human remains. Then US&R Search Team members would conduct a physical search for remains, crawling and walking over all the debris. Finally, after being searched three or more times, the debris would be loaded into trucks with skip loaders, where it would be taken to one of the Pentagon parking lots to be further combed for human remains and evidence by the FBI, ATF, Military units, and the Arlington Police Department.

Page 8
www.ukfssart.org.uk...

Human Identification in a Post-9/11 World: The Attack on American Airlines Flight 77 and the Pentagon

web.archive.org...://ndms.chepinc.org/data/files/3/266.pdf

Here is some more evidence:

"The DNA results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other evidence. Two of the terrorist STR profiles aboard the AA Flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, AFDIL sequenced the HVI and HVII regions of mtDNA for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in HVI and HVII, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men."

www.cstl.nist.gov...



[edit on 26-1-2009 by CameronFox]

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT

Since it's impossible to obtain any evidence regarding the fate of the passengers I find it morbid and pointless to "theorize" the exact method that was used to murder them.

Just my opinion.

It's pointless to theorize on how, yet you theorize on if? And if you say your murder theory is backed by the "hard evidence" that you mentioned earlier, then please present it.

And be very careful with what you present as "hard evidence", as what convinces you (regardless of whether or not you are right) may not be "hard" enough to convince the majority and lay this matter to rest, especially in a murder case.

[edit on 26-1-2009 by walman]

reply to post by walman


Oh it's been presented.

You can start going through the list here.

If there is anything you disagree with feel free to bump the appropriate thread with your evidence to the contrary.

In the mean time I'll let this thread stay on topic for those who wish to "theorize" the method used to murder the passengers.

reply to post by CameronFox


Sorry but your faith based claims are off topic.

There is a specific question posed in the OP.

Do you plan to answer it?

Yes, Craig Ranke CIT is right, lets stay on topic.

Once again: if Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon, what happened to the passengers? Please present your theories.

Originally posted by CameronFox
Capt. Jim Ingledue of the Virginia Beach Fire Dept & Mark Willams of the from Fort Belvoir, Va squad both stated they saw passengers still strapped in their seats.

In this thread NO ONE was able to substantiate ANY passenger bodies being found strapped to airplane seats.

That claim is completely unsubstantiated and should not be taken as fact. It's part of the 9/11 myth machine, churning out the official story.

I won't drag this thread off topic, Cameron, so I'll leave you to read all of the other thread. You'll notice on page 7 that thedman and Seymour Butz both conceeded that they couldn't provide evidence to support the claim. Also, on page 8, former member ThroatYogurt conceeded that he could not substantiate the claim either. The rest of the thread degenerated into some people scrambling to be believed... amusing.

Why didn't you post in that thread, Cameron? You've been a member long enough and would have seen it, surely? At least I can put you down as another person making the claim that there were bodies found strapped to airline seats... thanks for that.

[edit on 26-1-2009 by tezzajw]

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BZZZZT wrong answer once again. It was substantiated, you just wont accept it. Some ghoulish desire about you thinking you should be allowed to see the pictures......

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
BZZZZT wrong answer once again. It was substantiated, you just wont accept it. Some ghoulish desire about you thinking you should be allowed to see the pictures......

You must be reading a different thread, Swampfox.

There was absolutely no proof at all, that there were any bodies found strapped to airline seats.

It is a bunk claim. It has not been substantiated. The other thread was 27 pages long and NO ONE was able to show that any bodies were found strapped to airline seats.

Try again with your disinfo spin, Swampfox, as you're clearly out of your depth on this one.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
Here is a fairly detailed list of all of the passengers and crew members of Flight 77:
whatreallyhappened.com...

It is one thing to believe in a matter like this, but we need evidence if we are going to lay any of this to rest (or revive the investigation). Were those people on that list real? If so, were they on Flight 77 that morning? And if so, what happened to them if Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon?

This is the problem I have, I could create a person within five minutes. Give me a couple of million $ and I could easily convince any of you that they existed.

Again, look at the Northwoods document, and the plan that these government staff would be on a well publicized trip as students having won a competition.

How would they have convinced people that those employees were normal citizens?

They obviously had the ways and means to convince the entire world that a plane full of innocent students was destroyed by terrorists, and that was decades ago.

Money talks, and the US government has an immense financial pool to draw from to fund black projects. We all know this. And we all know they have previously considered a plan which would require them to "create" a whole manifest of passengers and convince the world that those passengers had been murdered by terrorists.


What students, I must have missed that.

I saw on youtube Japanese leaders were debunking the 9-11 official story too, saying it was too much there to not be an inside job, or the government looked away, or had some involvement.

All the US Government would have to do would release three or four photo's of the clean up of the debris of the plane.

But then they say it disintegrated.

But then they say they got dna samples from the passengers to PROVE they it was them on that disintegrated plane.

Did they get a black box from the pentagon? Surely that would have tidbits of information.

What about ALL the camera footage from surrounding buildings that they confiscated? Why don't they release some of those....

The small hole in the pentagon.

Until then..... I disbelieve the official story.