Originally posted by dawa
The whole video is a big pile of rot, "oh no they banned animal cruelty! OUR FREEDOMS " , thats not a freedom you should have.

Do you actually understand the principle behind fox hunting let me put it in baby terms for you. Foxes attack and harm your animals, your animals are your livelihood, remove foxes=protect livelihood. And if you have to hunt them anyway you might as well enjoy it. Do you understand or would you like some pictures?

Originally posted by neformore
I can pretty much say what I please within the bounds of taste and decency...
...If I want a gun, I can buy one, be registered for it and keep it on my premises in a safe and secure locker.

First of all our freedom of speech has been completely destroyed. I believe we should deport illegal immigrants I'm a racist. I say that a non-white racially abused me I'm a racist. I believe that the rights of nationals should come before those of immigrants I'm a racist. Yeah free to say what we please my arse.
Also have ypu ever tried to get a gun license and the right to keep it on your property? Try it and tell me how it goes.

Originally posted by Thistled
That is because you are not crazy - amazed, but put the gun in the hands of a crazy person?

That is why we have to get a license and pass various background tests and such things.

And as for you out there who thinks the cames are just for crimes you are the naive ones. Do you notice that with nearly all crimes committed on camera the perpetrators are never caught (did you forget that). On the other hand they do work with tracking us, building up data on us, where we go, what our habits are etc.

My point exactly. It's a good thing we don't have them, as they are bad news when they fall in to the hands of idiots.

Is America a nation free of idiots?

Originally posted by Thistled
That is because you are not crazy - amazed, but put the gun in the hands of a crazy person?

That is why we have to get a license and pass various background tests and such things.

And as for you out there who thinks the cames are just for crimes you are the naive ones. Do you notice that with nearly all crimes committed on camera the perpetrators are never caught (did you forget that). On the other hand they do work with tracking us, building up data on us, where we go, what our habits are etc.

But if you got a gun in your home (locked up or not) or in your glove box, a crazy house-breaker / car thief could steal your weapon. A crazy person now has your gun and they don't care if they kill you for the honour of providing them with a deadly weapon.

Originally posted by Cauch1

Do you actually understand the principle behind fox hunting let me put it in baby terms for you. Foxes attack and harm your animals, your animals are your livelihood, remove foxes=protect livelihood. And if you have to hunt them anyway you might as well enjoy it. Do you understand or would you like some pictures?

Sounds like an excuse to me, most just do it for fun.

If they want to fox hunt, the I say we should force them to eat the foxes after.

i dont own any guns and i dont care if they ban it cause people who think that the usa government want to kill its own people is PARANOID and DELUSIONAL. They dont need to use force to have you where they want you. You all have jobs and are like sheep, you all have questions but when you want answers you GOOGLE IT. Open your eyes , the government already have you where they want you,and btw they need you, or else who would drive the public transport, or sell and buy things to keep the currency flowing...

I'm another British person who supports an out right ban on guns, its the only way for a sensible society to exist.

I live in a fairly nice massive working class estate in the affluent south east, lots of the people i grew up with are criminals and i know many, many screwed up people We don't have any real gangs and gun crime is unheard off. I fear that if all the people i know had access to guns the petty fights which occasionaly leave my friends with black eyes or maybe a scar would leave fatherless children and childless mothers.

I could ask people i know to get me a car radio or a stolen laptop and they would, i could get any kind of drug i've heard of in almost any quantity, i could buy fake twenty pound notes or tax free red diesel - but i couldn't get a gun.

(note to police, i don't do these things hence why im using an old IBM T21)

How many americans can say this? the simple fact is because there is no legal gun market there is a very limited black market.

We don't want the bloods and the crips in england, america can keep the thug life -i don't want to live in a war zone.

I don't want criminals to assume i'm packing heat the second they see me and plug me with lead, if someone breaks into my house now the odds of me dieing are very slim, i'm an ok fighter but i doubt i would mess around if the guy looked serious -he doesn't have much to steal, i have insurance and all my money is in the bank.

What are mear items compared to my health, my life? what is a toaster worth when i'm dead? I don't want to live in a world where some thug knows that while he's breaking into a house some jackass with a magnum could stumble down the stairs at any moment hence he must shoot first to survive, worry about everything else later -shoot or die. Then when my old grandma opens that door BOOM.

In england criminals know they don't need a gun, they also know they'll get in loads of trouble if they get caught with one so they don't bring one, most don't even own one.

Yeah maybe some nut will manage to break into my secure house and threaten my family and i'll wish i had a gun, but then i'll pick up some form of bat and do my best, or he'll shoot us all. However the odds of that are very, very slim - even slimmer that he'll have a gun while the odds if everyone had guns and every criminal was in a shoot or die world that i would be killed are far far higher.

More guns = more gun deaths, simple as.

Originally posted by NatureBoy
I could ask people i know to get me a car radio or a stolen laptop and they would, i could get any kind of drug i've heard of in almost any quantity, i could buy fake twenty pound notes or tax free red diesel - but i couldn't get a gun.

Couldn't you now. You see if I wanted to commit an armed robbery I know various locations I could break into to get .22's, Winchesters, shotguns, combat rifles and their ammo and thats without going out and just buying one. Which I could if I wanted.

[edit on 26/1/2009 by Cauch1]

All i know is i feel a lot safer knowing that when i walk in the streets noone can just point a gun at me.

okay, i live in the uk. I've never had a gun, nor am i interested in owning one. I've been to a few shooting ranges etc... and yep it was fun, but i left it at that.........

Is there REALLY any need to have a gun? ..... and dont say "but we need to protect ourselves" because that excuse is over used in my opinion.

True, we have gun crime here in the uk and its not nice we also have a lot of knife crime but its probaly 1% of the population that actually thinks they need to own a weapon. I'm not a religious nut but come on....
cant we just put the guns/knifes down and just get along damn it.

lol i havent read this thread wouldnt bother, but watched the first couple of minutes of "The British called - They want their guns back!".

lol what total propaganda. Or as some might say on this paticular thread, a load of old twaddle.

The british want their guns back. Im british and i dont want guns back. Its bad enough the kids these days going around stabbing each other let alone walking into school and shooting each other like they do in America.

Originally posted by scepticsRus
Is there REALLY any need to have a gun? ..... and dont say "but we need to protect ourselves" because that excuse is over used in my opinion.

It's only overused until the first time you're confronted by a mugger, burglar, rapist, fascist government's agent, etc.