Shoot to maim? And give the thug or thugs as you have no idea how many are in your house at 3 AM the opportunity to kill you and harm your family....
Are you Naive or... wait... you live in the UK?
Right... you must be in the UK where every homeowner has ESP and can psychically know that the person or people who have broken into your house have a
gun, a knife, or are unarmed.... and if they are not as "armed" as you, you must use "restricted" force or go to prison.... yeah, it's 3 AM, you
just woke up, you have NO idea who just broke into your house or why... (wait, my psychic powers tell me there are only two of them and they are only
here to burglar something and won't harm me or my family.... right.
Double tap, center mass
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reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 11:11 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by LeTan
Great, LeTan.
I have a .357 Magnum. Do you really have the cojones to fire, and do you have the skill to hit a non-vital area?
The 'torso' shot is easiest, since it's the biggest target....and it's the 'kill-zone'....of course, the head is the best 'kill-zone', but it is smaller in comparison. A leg or arm hit will stop the assailant, but those limbs are usually moving, and very narrow.
Of course, even a shot in the leg, if it hits the femoral artery, will be the same as a 'kill', since the victim will likely bleed to death rather quickly.
Aim for the shoulder, if you wish to maim, and stop an attack, without killing....since KILLING will likely get you a whole heap of legal trouble, down the road.
Of course, depending on which blood vessels are hit, even in the shoulder, the victim could still bleed to death....so, there we are, back to square one.
Great, LeTan.
I have a .357 Magnum. Do you really have the cojones to fire, and do you have the skill to hit a non-vital area?
The 'torso' shot is easiest, since it's the biggest target....and it's the 'kill-zone'....of course, the head is the best 'kill-zone', but it is smaller in comparison. A leg or arm hit will stop the assailant, but those limbs are usually moving, and very narrow.
Of course, even a shot in the leg, if it hits the femoral artery, will be the same as a 'kill', since the victim will likely bleed to death rather quickly.
Aim for the shoulder, if you wish to maim, and stop an attack, without killing....since KILLING will likely get you a whole heap of legal trouble, down the road.
Of course, depending on which blood vessels are hit, even in the shoulder, the victim could still bleed to death....so, there we are, back to square one.
reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 11:16 PM by LeTan
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by LeTan
Great, LeTan.
I have a .357 Magnum. Do you really have the cojones to fire, and do you have the skill to hit a non-vital area?
The 'torso' shot is easiest, since it's the biggest target....and it's the 'kill-zone'....of course, the head is the best 'kill-zone', but it is smaller in comparison. A leg or arm hit will stop the assailant, but those limbs are usually moving, and very narrow.
Of course, even a shot in the leg, if it hits the femoral artery, will be the same as a 'kill', since the victim will likely bleed to death rather quickly.
Aim for the shoulder, if you wish to maim, and stop an attack, without killing....since KILLING will likely get you a whole heap of legal trouble, down the road.
Of course, depending on which blood vessels are hit, even in the shoulder, the victim could still bleed to death....so, there we are, back to square one.
Well, asking someone if they have the cajones to do something on the internet is a bit rhetorical, I can tell you anything and there would be almost no way to find out if i would or wouldn't (unless you got really obsessed with the matter and stalked me :lol
And to be honest, yes I would fire, but no, I do not yet have the skill to do so accurately enough to not kill. It is a bit difficult since the recoil is so heavy and it's a really big bullet. Either way, if someone is breaking into my home or attempting to harm myself or the people I love, thinking about the criminal's safety is about as high on my list as deciding what ice cream to get after the incident.
reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 11:20 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by infolurker
infolurk....just how many times have YOU been broken into, in your entire lifetime, at 0300???
OK....you can't answer immediately, that's the nature of this board.
BUT, assuming you've once been the victim of a home invasion, and successfully fended them off....let me ask this----
WERE they very well trained professional asassins, or just common thugs? Were there more than two? More than three? Or, as is most common, just one?
Here's another question....why not install a home security system? It isn't that expensive, and usually will cause a casual burglar to run away the minute it goes off.
IF a professional is intent on invading your home, then you either (A) have something of great value there, and you should have it protected properly or (B) you're incredibly paranoid and just like the idea of having a gun under your pillow (or wherever) to satisfy your fantasy of being Dirty Harry.
infolurk....just how many times have YOU been broken into, in your entire lifetime, at 0300???
OK....you can't answer immediately, that's the nature of this board.
BUT, assuming you've once been the victim of a home invasion, and successfully fended them off....let me ask this----
WERE they very well trained professional asassins, or just common thugs? Were there more than two? More than three? Or, as is most common, just one?
Here's another question....why not install a home security system? It isn't that expensive, and usually will cause a casual burglar to run away the minute it goes off.
IF a professional is intent on invading your home, then you either (A) have something of great value there, and you should have it protected properly or (B) you're incredibly paranoid and just like the idea of having a gun under your pillow (or wherever) to satisfy your fantasy of being Dirty Harry.
reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 11:48 PM by JPhish
reply to post by weedwhacker
first, it's not hard to shoot a shotgun. Not at all.
Second, Your argument is completely bogus to begin with, because you don't even need to shoot a shot. You simply need to show the intruder or assailant the weapon. And more often than not, that gets the job done.
first, it's not hard to shoot a shotgun. Not at all.
Second, Your argument is completely bogus to begin with, because you don't even need to shoot a shot. You simply need to show the intruder or assailant the weapon. And more often than not, that gets the job done.
reply posted on 25-1-2009 @ 11:52 PM by LeTan
Originally posted by JPhish
reply to post by weedwhacker
first, it's not hard to shoot a shotgun. Not at all.
Second, Your argument is completely bogus to begin with, because you don't even need to shoot a shot. You simply need to show the intruder or assailant the weapon. And more often than not, that gets the job done.
Doesn't that depend on the round you are shooting? I've shot doveshot, buckshot, and slugs, and their kickbacks (to me) are heavier in that order.
reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 12:18 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by JPhish
JPhish....I like your point, especially when you mention that simply brandishing the weapon might do the job of intimidating the intruder...
AND, another poster (sorry, can't remember the name) mentinoned that depending on the weapon, and the ammunition, the kick-back can be either light or strong.
Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face and neck, whilst hunting quail...yet the man survived.
Back to point....I do not have the statistics of, based on a country-wide data-base, how many home invasions have occured, versus how many were foiled by the Homeowner's having a weapon....whether a handgun or a rifle or a shotgun, or any combination. It would be an interesting thing to research!
Better yet, the statistics should be compiled by Country, and region, and year over year, going historically.
JPhish....I like your point, especially when you mention that simply brandishing the weapon might do the job of intimidating the intruder...
AND, another poster (sorry, can't remember the name) mentinoned that depending on the weapon, and the ammunition, the kick-back can be either light or strong.
Dick Cheney shot his friend in the face and neck, whilst hunting quail...yet the man survived.
Back to point....I do not have the statistics of, based on a country-wide data-base, how many home invasions have occured, versus how many were foiled by the Homeowner's having a weapon....whether a handgun or a rifle or a shotgun, or any combination. It would be an interesting thing to research!
Better yet, the statistics should be compiled by Country, and region, and year over year, going historically.
reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 12:52 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by lernmore
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns..."
Well, that is either the funniest, or the sickest thing I have read in a long while.
lernmore, let's get one thing straight: I AM NOT on the 'warpath' against private, responsible and legal ownership of guns.
In fact....I hate to raise this spectre, but imagine the old West...NOT the Hollywood version, but the reality of the untamed and largely unlawful reality of the expansion of the Colonials, across the Mississippi into the the 'Promised Land'(s) of the West.
Do you see yet? THIS is the reality....it is the REASON for the prevalent gun 'culture' in the USA. Not saying it's good, nor is it bad, it just IS!
Let's examine this more fully....we Humans are not far removed from the higher Apes of our Planet. Yes, we are more skilled at manipulating technology, but underlying our veneer of civilization we are mere animals. With all of the inherent emotional responses to stimuli, irrespective of what our higher brain functions try to tell us.
AND, this is just not Americans...nor British, nor any Australian nor European....in fact, it carries through most rational Human Being, that the basic concept is to live, and let live.
UNTIL we allow some radicalism, ANY radicalism, to interfere with the basic Human goodness and compassion for others.
BECAUSE, we have all been witness, I think, to how Humanity will come together in times of trial, to help one another. IT IS the ability to communicate, and then infect another's brain with words and ideas, that leads to an individual's 'decision' to act against the common good, and carry out the orders of some twisted concept that has been programmed in...whether by religion, or any other system.
'Word-of-Mouth'....it's an age-old concept, it pre-dated the printed word, of course, since the Printing Press wasn't even invented until circa 1400-something.
IF your Mother tells you something, then you BELIEVE it!!! Right?
BUT, what if what your Mother or your Father told you is NOT TRUE?!?
Hard to take, isn't it?
THIS is the dilemma, of lore. Again, prior to the printing press, stories were verbally handed down....few could read --- that was relegated to the 'priesthood'.
EVEN AFTER the printing press, there was much pressure to compel the illiteracy of the masses. Because, it's much easier to control the masses if they can't read, nor write, nor understand the grander concepts....
Hence, we see what is being attempted today.
"Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my guns..."
Well, that is either the funniest, or the sickest thing I have read in a long while.
lernmore, let's get one thing straight: I AM NOT on the 'warpath' against private, responsible and legal ownership of guns.
In fact....I hate to raise this spectre, but imagine the old West...NOT the Hollywood version, but the reality of the untamed and largely unlawful reality of the expansion of the Colonials, across the Mississippi into the the 'Promised Land'(s) of the West.
Do you see yet? THIS is the reality....it is the REASON for the prevalent gun 'culture' in the USA. Not saying it's good, nor is it bad, it just IS!
Let's examine this more fully....we Humans are not far removed from the higher Apes of our Planet. Yes, we are more skilled at manipulating technology, but underlying our veneer of civilization we are mere animals. With all of the inherent emotional responses to stimuli, irrespective of what our higher brain functions try to tell us.
AND, this is just not Americans...nor British, nor any Australian nor European....in fact, it carries through most rational Human Being, that the basic concept is to live, and let live.
UNTIL we allow some radicalism, ANY radicalism, to interfere with the basic Human goodness and compassion for others.
BECAUSE, we have all been witness, I think, to how Humanity will come together in times of trial, to help one another. IT IS the ability to communicate, and then infect another's brain with words and ideas, that leads to an individual's 'decision' to act against the common good, and carry out the orders of some twisted concept that has been programmed in...whether by religion, or any other system.
'Word-of-Mouth'....it's an age-old concept, it pre-dated the printed word, of course, since the Printing Press wasn't even invented until circa 1400-something.
IF your Mother tells you something, then you BELIEVE it!!! Right?
BUT, what if what your Mother or your Father told you is NOT TRUE?!?
Hard to take, isn't it?
THIS is the dilemma, of lore. Again, prior to the printing press, stories were verbally handed down....few could read --- that was relegated to the 'priesthood'.
EVEN AFTER the printing press, there was much pressure to compel the illiteracy of the masses. Because, it's much easier to control the masses if they can't read, nor write, nor understand the grander concepts....
Hence, we see what is being attempted today.
reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 01:34 AM by dragonridr
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by badgerprints
badger, you've just proved my point!!
Number 1....I WOULD NEVER break into somebody's house. Of course, IF (in a concocted scenario) I DID break into a Policeman's house, well OF COURSE he'd defend his FAMILY and property!!!! AND, I would get what I deserved, although I'd expect that a trained Peace Officer would know how to shoot to maim first, unless his life was in immediate danger.
Number 2.... a properly informed burglar would NOT target a Peace Officer's home. SO, your example is moot.
Number 3.... by definition, a 'burglary' is a crime that occurs in a residence or business when there are no victims present. A 'robbery', by definition, is a crime upon a person or persons.
Number 4... a Peace Officer, I must repeat, had received EXTENSIVE training. OF COURSE, in the event of a home incursion, that Peace Officer will respond with deadly force, or force as appropriate. BUT that is a result of years of training! How many casual gun owners can claim the same, hmmmm???
Obviously you know nothing about fire arms Rule number one do not point a fire arm unless you plan to kill your target. This isnt the movies you dont shoot to maim them. If you are in a cituation that you feel you need a firearm and are willing to point it at a person you kill them. If yo have no intention of killing anyone do not get a firearm you will only make it worse having it hoping you will scare the bad guy will only get you killed.
reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 03:13 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by dragonridr
dragon, THAT was my point!
From a Peace Officer's standpoint, a weapon is NOT DRAWN unless it is intended to be fired!
AND, a weapon is only drawn under dire circumstances....when another's, or your life, is threatened, by someone else.
Perhaps I phrased it incorrectly, so let me try again...
From what I know of Peace Officer Training, they draw their weapon ONLY when there is an immediate danger, either to themselves, or to another. AND, once drawn, that weapon may or may not be discharged, depending on the circumstances.
THAT is what training is all about!
dragon, THAT was my point!
From a Peace Officer's standpoint, a weapon is NOT DRAWN unless it is intended to be fired!
AND, a weapon is only drawn under dire circumstances....when another's, or your life, is threatened, by someone else.
Perhaps I phrased it incorrectly, so let me try again...
From what I know of Peace Officer Training, they draw their weapon ONLY when there is an immediate danger, either to themselves, or to another. AND, once drawn, that weapon may or may not be discharged, depending on the circumstances.
THAT is what training is all about!
reply posted on 26-1-2009 @ 05:33 AM by imd12c4funn
reply to post by weedwhacker
Death by gun is much more humane than by 1 (one) T-50 staple.
or sewing ones eyelids open, drawing and quartering a home invader atop an ant hill with honey applied to the abdominal area as a lure.
Not to mention many old and mideval devices used for torturous deaths.
Death by gun is much more humane than by 1 (one) T-50 staple.
or sewing ones eyelids open, drawing and quartering a home invader atop an ant hill with honey applied to the abdominal area as a lure.
Not to mention many old and mideval devices used for torturous deaths.
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