Retired Colonel John B. Alexander Admits UFOs are Real

I just read a fascinating article concerning the opinions of retired Army Colonel John B. Alexander who wrote The 'New Mental Battlefield: Beam Me Up Spock' in 1980. The news piece concerns whether or not the Obama administration would be releasing information on UFOs:

Alexander's Wet Blanket

Unlike many researchers, Alexander has long contended there’s no UFO coverup, that the only info the feds are holding back involve sources and methods. Near the end of his military tenure, Alexander says he queried military brass about UFOs – all the way up to two-star rungs – and insists they were entirely candid when they said they didn’t know squat about it. What he does have scalding words for is the way the Air Force fumbled the ball on the Roswell Incident (three separate official verdicts), as well as the 1969 University of Colorado study on UFOs. The Colorado whitewash marginalized the evidence and allowed the USAF to close to its public investigation.

“UFOs are real. The evidence for things flying all over our skies that aren’t ours is overwhelming,” Alexander says. “And most scientists won’t go near it because they think Condon” – first name Edward, who supervised the Colorado project — “conducted a thorough study, which he did not. We need to make it permissible for scientists to study again, and what Senator Pell went through shows you what happens to a serious person attempts to study it.

“I think this is something a John Podesta could in fact do. He could help to make a formal request to the National Academy of Science to take another look at this thing based on evidence that’s been ignored. But this isn’t going to be easy, because it’s not politically enhancing. And the scientific community doesn’t even want to look at the evidence. They dismiss it a priori.”

Wow! And if you haven't had a chance to read anything about John B. Alexander, he is an EXTREMELY colorful figure, deeply connected within the military, involved in mind control experiments, remote viewing, and was possibly 'Army Col. Harold E. Phillips' in charge of the UFO Working Group, although this last connection has never been completely verified, I believe. This new piece sure points in that direction, does it not? Enjoy

First of all, of course UFOs -- in the strict sense of the term -- are real, meaning that there have been things sighted in the sky that can't be positively identified. That's obvious.

However, if this Colonel Alexander is trying to say UFOs are ET craft (and I'm not sure he IS saying that), this article offered no additional evidence or insight to back up the claim that UFOs -- ET craft or even otherwise -- are real. He even admits that, to his knowledge, there is no government cover-up.

Without any first-hand knowledge or evidence to back up the Colonel's claims, this article could have just as easily been titled "Retired Construction Worker Admits UFOs are Real".

That fact that he is an Army Colonel seems irrelevant.


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The connection to MKultra type programs in some way, even just by military association can suggest many things. These topics of UFOs etc. may actually release or trigger many of these sleepers to now claim alien abductions and sightings of alien craft.

Mind control may also be part of these alleged vsitors agenda. But to take someone's word who themselves were part of some mind control and disinformation program doesn't give them much credibility, even on their deathbed confessions of a possible false memory. I found mention of him on youtube and no doubt has already been posted here before. Interesting footnote to his life work anyway. Vietnam is a touchy subject for many vets and families also.

Although Iraq so far isn't as costly with the number of deaths, it's created many more traumatized living examples that supposedly can now be treated more quickly? idk PTSD and memories erased is questionable and suggests covering up more mistakes like Vietnam again. I'm sure vets would rather live than die and forget than remember.

More final solutions ahead I guess.

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The directors of APRO, Coral and Jim Lorenzen, a Tucson-based UFO group, both died of Cancer. Then Deke Slayton, the astronaut, was ready to talk publically about the UFO conspiracy, cancer again, isn't he running a risk here?

First of all, of course UFOs -- in the strict sense of the term -- are real, meaning that there have been things sighted in the sky that can't be positively identified. That's obvious. However, if this Colonel Alexander is trying to say UFOs are ET craft (and I'm not sure he IS saying that), this article offered no additional evidence or insight to back up the claim that UFOs -- ET craft or even otherwise -- are real. He even admits that, to his knowledge, there is no government cover-up. Without any first-hand knowledge or evidence to back up the Colonel's claims, this article could have just as easily been titled "Retired Construction Worker Admits UFOs are Real". That fact that he is an Army Colonel seems irrelevant.

Wow , thats a real ignorant way to look at it.

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

However, if this Colonel Alexander is trying to say UFOs are ET craft (and I'm not sure he IS saying that), this article offered no additional evidence or insight to back up the claim that UFOs -- ET craft or even otherwise -- are real. He even admits that, to his knowledge, there is no government cover-up.

Without any first-hand knowledge or evidence to back up the Colonel's claims, this article could have just as easily been titled "Retired Construction Worker Admits UFOs are Real".

That fact that he is an Army Colonel seems irrelevant.

[edit on 1/25/2009 by Soylent Green Is People]

The article does not provide evidence they are real (What evidence is accepted, anyway? Photos can be faked, videos faked, data faked, people lie, and all anomalies are 'dust' and 'debris' according to NASA--the only evidence that is accepted is a person's own belief and reasoning) but when you look into the history of John B. Alexander, I think his opinions on the subject of UFOs are extremely intriguing. Why? Considering he was at one point Director of advanced concepts US Army Lab who studied remote viewing, it kind of makes you wonder, was he involved in the remote viewing of UFOs and UFO technology?

Here is a link to his 1980 article: The New Mental Battlefield

Here is a link to a story that appeared in the Washington Post concerning a man named Harland Girard who states John Alexander is responsible for the voices he hears in his head: Mind Games

In that last article he states:

"Just because things are secret, people tend to extrapolate. Common sense does not prevail, and even when you point out huge leaps in logic that just cannot be true, they are not dissuaded."

So yes, he is of the opinion that there is no cover up and people generally go overboard...but he is also of the opinion that UFOs appearing "all over our skies that aren't ours is overwhelming," and he is also of the opinion that Condon did not do a thorough analysis of the phenomenon. Soo...did HE then do a thorough analysis, as a part of the UFO Working Group? As a part of the military? In that respect, his remote viewpoint (*nudge nudge wink wink) is AT LEAST relevant to me

Col Alexander is a dumb ass if he's surprised when the top brass or nobody else told him anything when queried about UFOs and aliens. It's unlikely many 2 stars are briefed unless they were intelligence officers or possibly pilots lucky or unlucky enough to have seen them up close. Edgar Mitchell asked a 3 star and the head of the DIA about it and even this guy didn't know anything but checked and was told, yes it's real, and NO you can't know anymore, need to know basis only. CO of the DIA, a Vice Admiral and he doesn't have the need to know !

So yeah I'm not surprised he didn't get any confirmation. I didn't know this guy's history, maybe he is a psy-ops/CI specialist, "on the job".

Originally posted by avail

First of all, of course UFOs -- in the strict sense of the term -- are real, meaning that there have been things sighted in the sky that can't be positively identified. That's obvious. However, if this Colonel Alexander is trying to say UFOs are ET craft (and I'm not sure he IS saying that), this article offered no additional evidence or insight to back up the claim that UFOs -- ET craft or even otherwise -- are real. He even admits that, to his knowledge, there is no government cover-up. Without any first-hand knowledge or evidence to back up the Colonel's claims, this article could have just as easily been titled "Retired Construction Worker Admits UFOs are Real". That fact that he is an Army Colonel seems irrelevant.

Wow , thats a real ignorant way to look at it.

How so?

That article didn't tell me anything except that some guy says he thinks UFOs are real. What does he even mean by that? Does he mean he thinks aliens are visiting us, or does he mean that there are objects flying overhead that can't be identified? Those are two totally different things.

But let's stipulate that he meant "ET visitation". I don't care who you are -- an Army Colonel, my next door neighbor, or Barack Obama -- if you say "I think ETs/UFOs exist", but offer no evidence to back up the claim, then the claim is baseless. That claim would simply be your personal opinion, based on nothing but opinion. Everybody has personal opinions.

An Army Colonel saying that he thinks UFOs are real -- but without any evidence -- carries the same weight as if I simply say I think ET vistition could be real, without having any evidence. What evidence have I offered to give anyone a reason to agree with my opinion? What reason did Colonel Alexander give me to agree with his opinion?

On the other hand, if someone with authority who had a job that put them "in-the-know", such as a VERY high-ranking Air Force official, and they said "I have first-hand knowledge that UFOs/ET visitation is real", then people should take notice -- but that official also better have at least a little evidence to back the claim.

By the way, I don't put Col. Alexander in the category of being a "High-ranking official in-the-know", plus Col. Alexander never said "I have first-hand knowledge and information". In fact, he probable does NOT have first-hand knowledge, or else why would he be saying that he is sure there is no cover-up. If he - as a military official had "Official" first-hand knowledge of ETs, and this official knowledge has not been passed to the public, then that's a cover-up. But since he said a cover-up doesn't exist, then he must not have first-hand knowledge -- i.e., it's only his opinion.

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Great article. Thanks for posting it. I couldn't agree more with the Colonel.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

“UFOs are real. The evidence for things flying all over our skies that aren’t ours is overwhelming,” Alexander says. “And most scientists won’t go near it because they think Condon” – first name Edward, who supervised the Colorado project — “conducted a thorough study, which he did not. We need to make it permissible for scientists to study again, and what Senator Pell went through shows you what happens to a serious person attempts to study it.

To me it looks like he says "UFO´s are real", however nobody is willing to research the phenomenon. I think he is basically asking for official acknowledgement that there are UFO´s and there should be an extensive official investigation.

Of course UFO´s are just Unidentified Flying Objects and should not be automatically linked to aliens.

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Let me propose to you an interesting thought experiment. Suppose that I flip a coin and I catch it covering it with my hand.

At this moment neither one of us knows whether it landed heads or tails.

I ask you which way did the coin land? and you answer.... predictably: I don't know, there is a 50/50 chance it landed heads or tails.

Next, I have a quick peek at the coin, which to me reveals which way it landed. But you can't see the coin still.

I then ask you again.... which way did the coin land? heads or tails..... At this point what do you say..?

If I claim that the coin is heads, would that be baseless because *you* haven't seen the coin?

Or is it only baseless to YOU?

-rrr

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thanks for the article.

Seems to me that many men involved with our military (particularly those who are well brassed up) are coming to a realization that they are in need of contribution. That is to contribute something of sustinence to the world involving the current state of things. I cannot say that every person in the military is focused on this, but i do feel that some men are reaching a point within themselves to accomplish something of great importance to 'humanity' something that reaches beyond the current events of the day...

many on the change.gov website were upset that the truth embargo idea was even getting votes.

there are two types of people, those who are looking for the short term solution, and those who are looking for the long term solution.

i will openly admit that i side with the long term solution of just announcing the prensence of ET craft and their occupants.

Humanity needs a new raison d'etre (reason for being) and weather just simply announcing ET presence with change things immediately is not important, its the long term baby.

May I suggest that you all shift focus from the article, because it's not that much significant except being an outlet, to who Col. John Alexander is (post-retirement), or was (in his career)?

I am sure those who search will find much amusing information on his background (what's publicly available) and perhaps connect the dots afterwards...

Originally posted by jeff.behnke
I just read a fascinating article concerning the opinions of retired Army Colonel John B. Alexander who wrote The 'New Mental Battlefield: Beam Me Up Spock' in 1980. The news piece concerns whether or not the Obama administration would be releasing information on UFOs:


“UFOs are real. The evidence for things flying all over our skies that aren’t ours is overwhelming,” Alexander says. “And most scientists won’t go near it because they think Condon” – first name Edward, who supervised the Colorado project — “conducted a thorough study, which he did not. We need to make it permissible for scientists to study again, and what Senator Pell went through shows you what happens to a serious person attempts to study it.

In the early 1990's I had a chance to visit a Col. John Alexander at his office in Las Vegas.
Apparently he had just moved in to that office there.

He was quite cordial.

We asked him some questions about non-lethal weapons systems and their applications.

I even asked him a couple of questions about "thanatology".
It was quite interesting.

However, towards the end of the interview we asked him a question about "UFOs".
As soon as he heard us mention "UFOs", his attitude suddenly changed and he became totally upset.
He then scolded us and told us never to bring up that topic again.
He said that he had absolutely no interest in "UFOs".

Anyway, upon leaving his office (after we apologized to him) , he led us the way out of his office.
As soon as he started walking towards the hallway to lead us out of his office, I instantly went behind his desk and had a quick look at his computer screen.
To my amazement, his computer screen showed a partial list of UFO organizations and researchers.
To this day, I have no idea what to think of him and this experience there in his office.

www.myspace.com...

Although this happened to me in the early 1990's, this may have made me be leary of groups such as the National Institute for Discovery Sciences (NIDS), financed by Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas.
Alexander, I believe, was under the payroll of Mr. Bigelow at that time.
I fear that the utlimate goal of groups such as NIDS may be to dominate and control the flow of UFO information through their vast financial resources and to infiltrate groups such as MUFON, etc.
I may be wrong on this. I am not sure.

Originally posted by Darky6K
The directors of APRO, Coral and Jim Lorenzen, a Tucson-based UFO group, both died of Cancer. Then Deke Slayton, the astronaut, was ready to talk publically about the UFO conspiracy, cancer again, isn't he running a risk here?

Some 500,000 people die of cancer every year in the United States. Not only that, each of the above was in their sixties at the time of death; the chance of cancer increases with age and more so with lifestyle choices.

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

Everybody has personal opinions.

Unfortunately many people have opinions based on "what feels comfortable for them personally." That is the magic threshold when opinions become garbage.

My opinion on UFOs is based on the given evidence. Take a high quality report like JAL Flight 1628. If you want to believe that Swamp and Venus are what confused the pilots because that is what you "feel," then go right ahead. That wouldn't be my opinion though because:

*Swamp gas and Venus are not tracked on radar
*I expect 2 pilots with tons of flying experience (the captain with 29 years flying exp) to know the difference between Venus and something very out of the ordinary.
*Swamp gas does not follow a jet airplane for 400 miles.
*The Pilot is quoted as saying the objects moved in ways impossible for a manmade craft to make.
*Venus is only 1 object. The airline pilot reported 3 objects.
*Etc etc.

Originally posted by Darky6K
The directors of APRO, Coral and Jim Lorenzen, a Tucson-based UFO group, both died of Cancer. Then Deke Slayton, the astronaut, was ready to talk publically about the UFO conspiracy, cancer again, isn't he running a risk here?

Using other people's coffins as soapboxes for your own fantasies is, well, tacky. Using the deaths of people braver and better than you can hope to be, such as Deke, to promote yourself, is just disgusting.

Just my aesthetic take on the message.

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And the ufological spaghetti-against-the-wall begins. Whether or not the pilots of that JAL flight saw a UFO, as well as your appeals to ridicule and spite, is irrelevant to this discussion. The good colonel is not "admitting to anything" but rather stating his opinion, as Soylent pointed out. The title of the thread is misleading, predicated on the fact this is a colonel talking and nothing more. No facts, no evidence, just opinion. It is a simple appeal to authority.

Originally posted by rickyrrr
I then ask you again.... which way did the coin land? heads or tails..... At this point what do you say..?

If I claim that the coin is heads, would that be baseless because *you* haven't seen the coin?

Or is it only baseless to YOU?

That is a rather poor analogy. At no point is Colonel Alexander claiming any special knowledge. He hasn't looked at the hidden coin, as it were.

Wow, another fruit loop with NO EVIDENCE at all give us his opinion. Big deal. This guy is a nutter, plain and simple.

The title of this thread, and the op's excitment over it, is a little over the top. Step back, think clearly and things like this wouldn't be a big deal. But, unfortunatly in this subject folks tend to turn their brains off so they can enojy thier fantasies or some such.