Should teachers take drug tests?

reply to post by NuclearPaul


There we have it. That is what I'm looking for. Something that can be tested on the job and yet be sensitive enough to only recognize what has been ingested within the last couple of hours or so. Like I've said before, I completly agree with what you do on you own time is up to you, but don't let it tamper with your work ability.

Is there any kind of test that does that? If there is, what is keeping it from being mainstreamed? Money, politics....money! There's big dollars in the insurance buisness.

I think they should be drug tested. This may explain why they vote the way that they do.

Originally posted by Cio88
If I am subjected to a drug screen , then so should anyone else. I have nothing to hide therefore I am not mad.

Nothing to hide, eh? We will see about that, comrade.

Personally I think we should subject all citizens to a "too stupid and uninformed to exist in a constitutional republic" test. Those who fail the test can be deported to the nearest tyrannically ruled dictatorship, where they can enjoy the continual surveillance and intrusions upon their privacy.

Originally posted by Grumble

Originally posted by Cio88
If I am subjected to a drug screen , then so should anyone else. I have nothing to hide therefore I am not mad.

Nothing to hide, eh? We will see about that, comrade.

Personally I think we should subject all citizens to a "too stupid and uninformed to exist in a constitutional republic" test. Those who fail the test can be deported to the nearest tyrannically ruled dictatorship, where they can enjoy the continual surveillance and intrusions upon their privacy.

Personally I'm all for urine testing for those wishing to purchase firearms. Not to see if they're on drugs, mind you, but to see if they can get it all in the toilet bowl without spraying the seat, the wall, the garbage can, etc. If you can't aim a part of your own body you've used since birth I don't want you anywhere near a gun.

Thanks. You are correct. It's not only a good idea, but I demand it if you're going to be teaching my children.
To others I know will be reading these posts;
Please don't give me the whiny ; oh it's against my rights crap. Grow up.

Originally posted by Chucktah
"What SHOULD be done is to develop a test that can identify if you are currently under the influence. That is all the employer needs to worry about. " This was Big fat furry texans quote..sorry


This my friend is where we can agree to agree! There has got to be something in place that has that kind of distinction. If you are administered a BAT on the side of the highway it tells them your level of intoxication. Albeit a very vague figure. I stand 6'3" 240, what 12 beers do to me will have a complete different effect on someone else.

They need to have that in place for drugs as well. Then you can eliminate this whole topic.


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[edit on 25-1-2009 by Chucktah]

I am 6'3" and weigh in the 400 range. I can drink 18 beers and stay under the legal intoxication limit. But, since i don't drink, i am sloshed with maybe 6 beers.

In the interest of disclosure, these numbers represent the amount of beer one must drink in a 30 minute period, based on DPS logic provided to my sister while taking some class she had to take for Minor in Possession.

I cannot physically drink enough beer to be "legally intoxicated". But me driving after 6 beers (which is what i may drink every 2 years) is among the most dangerous things i can do.

[edit on 25-1-2009 by bigfatfurrytexan]

I'm torn on this one. Teachers are as important as firemen, police, etc. They are molding the minds of the future. Future firemen/police, etc. Yes I know that includes women.

The thing is are they teaching while under the influence? Is their off hours actions being brought into this? Those 2 questions are important imo because they are mutually exclusive.

I was married to a teacher....

If they do drug testing then they will lose 75% of the teachers... The newer ones are in the need to unwind because of the stress put on them... they like to enjoy a joint or two...

This will stop alot from going into teaching also.... They know that it's getting more stressful, not less and they need to unwind too.

To think that we're so stupid in our societies rules that we allow people to kill themselves with liquor but we won't allow marijuana users because they get a euphoric feeling...

Even the cops use it... they know the garbage being passed as disinfo about marijuana.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan

I am 6'3" and weigh in the 400 range. I can drink 18 beers and stay under the legal intoxication limit. But, since i don't drink, i am sloshed with maybe 6 beers.

Too bad you don't drink. Sounds like we could do some serious damage to a keg...or two.

Originally posted by intrepid
I'm torn on this one. Teachers are as important as firemen, police, etc. They are molding the minds of the future.

That's the thing about teachers that I don't think many people realize. The should be held in that regard. Put up there with the heros our children look up to. If you sit back and think about it, for 8-9 months out of the year, teachers spend almost as much time with our kids as we do. We should hold them to a much higher standard than we do now. Also like someone mentioned earlier, they should get more respect and higher pay for the job they do.

Marijuana and other illicit drugs are ILLEGAL.

Therefore, Teachers should be tested to make sure they aren't, firstly breaking the law.
And secondly, that they don't have high levels still in their system that can effect their teaching abilities in the classroom.

If other child-related industry workers have to have drug tests, why not teachers?

No-one should be tested for drugs unless there is good reason to.
Poking your nose into someone else's private business on what they do after hours is NOT a reason.

I'm simply against this, it's an invasion of privacy. It's not the employers, governments, the next door neighbors and so on's business what people put into their bodies. I've known many teachers that don't do drugs and they suck at their jobs. Then again, many of the moody teachers I've had just needed to get some. Many teachers are teachers cause they thought it would be a safe career choice that pays better than a flipping burgers job and a lot of other waste of time college majors that end up with a lousy salary or no job for it at all. Plus, another thing they found attractive about it is that, unless you teach summer school, you get the summers off.

Those are pretty weak reason's to be a teacher, especially if it turns out you don't like kids. But regardless of whether the teacher sucks at his/her job or not simply doesn't mean they should be subjected to random drug tests. The next thing that would follow is that a teacher would lose their job for being too fat, or be suspended until their weight is down at an "acceptable" bodyweight. But drug testing should not be done for any profession for the same reason, it's nobody's business. If someone is bad at their job, then that's what needs to be focused on. If job performance is bad and not improving, drugs or no drugs, then obviously it's time to let that person go.

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Originally posted by itinerantseeker
But drug testing should not be done for any profession for the same reason, it's nobody's business.
[edit on 26-1-2009 by itinerantseeker]

You're wrong. When my tax money goes to pay your salary as a teacher, to ensure my childs safety under your care. You're damn right it's my business whether or not you have a drug problem. On or off the clock. If teachers can't handle putting the pipe down...they need to find a different job.

I was in the military for 26yrs and they didn't even do drug testing... they talked about it but never carried through.. too many legal problems...

That was the military... If the military questioned it because of possible legalities then maybe there would be a problem with "rights" in a teachers case.

None of the jobs that I saw earlier classed as "hero" should be checked either. Do you think that there are no great firefighters, police officers, military men, doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers, priests etc that do drugs? (I know some from each of the groups I just cited.) If that is your thinking, that drugs lessen a person, then you should really try to find a group of these peoples and really get to know them. You'll find that they get together just like all the other groups and have the odd beer, the odd joint will usually pop in there.

I wouldn't expect anything different from these groups of people. They need to relax too. And I don't mean relax with a anti-depressant that has 100 different side-effects when all the person needs is a toke to lessen the stress.

These people are not "heroes". They are well trained groups that have stressful jobs. Stop putting them on a pedestal and then you won't be disappointed.

Teachers are not there to assist our children anyways. Teachers are there to control our kids and help dumb down our future population. Kids are learning less and being drugged more each year. Source

Not even the politicians, the worst crooks, should be subject to this. A right to privacy.... It's universal.... but it's being universally destroyed...

Rgds

reply to post by AllTiedTogether



75% of teaches?
More like 20% maximum.

When a teacher is suspended for drug use, it's applauded by parents and other teaches who have a hard enough job curtailing student drug use.

So if 20% leave, good.
It makes way for those who take the education of kids seriously, who are committed to being good role models with high standards.

My dad told me that when he had just started teaching him and a close freind of his who was also a teacher (who taught at the same school as him) decided to make some 'special brownies'. They ate them on a sunday night and felt nothing until monday morning. So anyways my dad said he went into the classroom and started teaching the wrong subject, then went into the halls and found his friend and they wee both like " holy #! do you feel what i feel?!"

He told me this story and a couple others when we first smoked together.

Originally posted by Flighty
It makes way for those who take the education of kids seriously, who are committed to being good role models with high standards.

What any teacher does on Friday night WILL NOT affect your child on Monday morning. Getting blind drunk, having a toke or even participating in a mass orgy is their own private business.

Teachers are not heros. They are paid to do a job and they do it. Teachers only need to have 'high standards' and be 'good role models' during the hours of 8.30am until 4pm. That's it. Beyond those hours, their time is their own and they can do as they please.

Believe it or not, most teachers really don't worry about you or your child once they drive outside the school gate to go home. Teachers have their own LIFE, family and friends to worry about instead. Your concerns, as a parent, can be left on the office answering machine to be addressed during WORK HOURS, not in their private life.

In the US i think drug tests should be banned. If you have a guy or lady in front of you being interviewed, and you dont have the sense to see if they are doped up, then you the manager need a test of some kind.

Drug tests are basicly mandated by insurance company scams and lobbyists for the fabian socialist anti drug movement. Its a perfect world with an elitist running every aspect of life. They know better than I do. Im just a dumb stoner. duhhh whaa.

reply to post by tezzajw


Mass orgys' aren't ILLEGAL (unless you partake in public)
Getting blind drunk isn't ILLEGAL (unless you take it one step further and get in your car).
Using illict drugs IS ILLEGAL. Which part of that don't you get???

This isn't actually about teachers being drug tested....

It is about Parents being Drugs tested.

*Am I the only one who has made this connection? - have you all forgotten about the totalitarian tip-toe?