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reply posted on 12-4-2004 @ 01:52 PM by Muaddib
How can you say for sure that only humans are the only ones that have conciousness? have you even done any experiments with plants, or animals?

Plants have been noted to react to certain stimuli, like people talking to the plants, music, a positive or negative environment etc. The Earth reacts to things in the same way. It might take a lot more and more time than stimulating a human, or animal or a plant, but still.

Planets, stars, galaxies do not last forever, there will be a time when they will "die" just like anything that is physical. it could be that the sun engulfs the Earth, or that it slowly freezes and becomes a cold planet and later on all its energies will dissipate into the universe, then once more the cycle will begin and a new galaxy will appear, etc, etc. Just a never ending cycle of lives and deaths in many different manifestations.

I don't believe there was just one big bang, and that before that there was nothing before it, like science or some religions say. It is what i think and people can believe what they want to believe.

I tend to agree with Alfven Hannes, the winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize of Physics, view of the universe.

"But if there was no Big Bang, how -and when- did the universe begin? "There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time," Alfvén explained. "It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

"Since religion intrinsically rejects empirical methods, there should never be any attempt to reconcile scientific theories with religion he said. An infinitely old universe, always evolving, may not, he admited, be compatible with the Book of Genesis. However, religions such as Buddhism get along without having any explicit creation mythology and are in no way contradicted by a universe without a beginning or end. Creatio ex nihilo, even as religious doctrine, only dates to around AD 200" he noted. The key is not to confuse myth and empirical results, or religion and science."

Excerpt taken from.
public.lanl.gov...

[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Muaddib]


reply posted on 12-4-2004 @ 04:27 PM by Jinja
Originally posted by Muaddib
How can you say for sure that only humans are the only ones that have conciousness? have you even done any experiments with plants, or animals?

Plants have been noted to react to certain stimuli, like people talking to the plants, music, a positive or negative environment etc. The Earth reacts to things in the same way. It might take a lot more and more time than stimulating a human, or animal or a plant, but still.

Planets, stars, galaxies do not last forever, there will be a time when they will "die" just like anything that is physical. it could be that the sun engulfs the Earth, or that it slowly freezes and becomes a cold planet and later on all its energies will dissipate into the universe, then once more the cycle will begin and a new galaxy will appear, etc, etc. Just a never ending cycle of lives and deaths in many different manifestations.

I don't believe there was just one big bang, and that before that there was nothing before it, like science or some religions say. It is what i think and people can believe what they want to believe.

I tend to agree with Alfven Hannes, the winner of the 1970 Nobel Prize of Physics, view of the universe.

"But if there was no Big Bang, how -and when- did the universe begin? "There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time," Alfvén explained. "It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

"Since religion intrinsically rejects empirical methods, there should never be any attempt to reconcile scientific theories with religion he said. An infinitely old universe, always evolving, may not, he admited, be compatible with the Book of Genesis. However, religions such as Buddhism get along without having any explicit creation mythology and are in no way contradicted by a universe without a beginning or end. Creatio ex nihilo, even as religious doctrine, only dates to around AD 200" he noted. The key is not to confuse myth and empirical results, or religion and science."

Excerpt taken from.
public.lanl.gov...

[Edited on 12-4-2004 by Muaddib]

If you do not know how something works, NEVER make up answers. Just accept that you do not know and try to see how it works.
And, we were debating conciousness not life.
Plants have already been proven that the change derives from the acustic(damn spelling) vibratory patterns.
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