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Originally posted by Aleksander
Ah Jeez!! I am not sure why you people that defend the right to choose bother. It is my opinion that most that are against it have absolutely nothing better to do with their time then to stick their noses where they do not belong. I don't know what it is about trampling other people’s choices or rights but its getting extremely ridiculous. I would like to know when their going to grow up and develop a brain and worry about what their doing instead of the guy or gal next door... what it is not enough attention from mommy or daddy? Did you get picked on in school by the bully and no one helped you or cared?...
...WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK. It's neither your body nor your life so why do you feel you have to stick your nose in other peoples business. The mother gets to choose what comes out of her body when she wants it. If she wants to abort it's her choice and is on her conscience.
Originally posted by DuneKnight
Originally posted by kerrichin
my message was not off topic i was replying to a post above where he was bashing women for not using protection and i was saying that men are also responsible.
i used correct lingo for the male part instead of slang.
i wasnt bashing women, i was bashing the one who got pregnant and wants to erase her mistake. the guy isnt as responsible as her because its not his body that shape itself as a baby-carrier.
Originally posted by resistancia
Originally posted by DuneKnight
Originally posted by kerrichin
my message was not off topic i was replying to a post above where he was bashing women for not using protection and i was saying that men are also responsible.
i used correct lingo for the male part instead of slang.
i wasnt bashing women, i was bashing the one who got pregnant and wants to erase her mistake. the guy isnt as responsible as her because its not his body that shape itself as a baby-carrier.
what rock are you living under pal? Both partners should ensure that some form of contraception is used, it is not the sole responsibility of the woman.
And the way I see it yes...you are bashing womenkind with your ridiculous neanderthal attitude.
res
[edit on 16-2-2009 by resistancia]
well it depends on the kind of relationship or lack of. the guy is mostly not responsible because for all he knows it might not even be his baby.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by DuneKnight
female philosophy: it takes two wrongs to make a right...
Man philosophy: "Me - Me - Me - its all about Me and my needs - and its never my fault."
(women know what I'm talking about)
Women's Rights! Yes - Woman's Right.
It may seem one sided on my part. HOWEVER - until men as a whole (gender grouping) fully recognize and legally pursue responsibility for ALL the unfathomable numbers of fatherless children - I have no sympathy.
****there are of course the exceptions - but numbers do not lie.
[edit on 16-2-2009 by Annee]
Originally posted by resistancia
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by DuneKnight
female philosophy: it takes two wrongs to make a right...
Man philosophy: "Me - Me - Me - its all about Me and my needs - and its never my fault."
(women know what I'm talking about)
Women's Rights! Yes - Woman's Right.
It may seem one sided on my part. HOWEVER - until men as a whole (gender grouping) fully recognize and legally pursue responsibility for ALL the unfathomable numbers of fatherless children - I have no sympathy.
****there are of course the exceptions - but numbers do not lie.
[edit on 16-2-2009 by Annee]
Annee I agree....but you forgot "It's all about me and my dick"
Originally posted by donwhite
DNA testing pretty much eliminates fathers escaping their responsibility. The mother is required to assist the state in running down any recalcitrant father. As for young men - say under 20 and no job - I’d prefer to put a lien on them payable later in life as they get into better paying jobs.
Putting such a financial burden on a young man - often a high school dropout - that he cannot meet is not a good idea. But to defer his pay-back seems to be making the best out of a bad situation. I mean, currently the FICA tax on the worker is 7.65%. Add say 7% to that in his case, and apply that extra money to his parenting account.
Originally posted by resistancia
reply to post by DuneKnight
You really have not contributed anything intelligent to this thread, you merely make neanderthal and derogatory statements about women and you are not that important, nor really worthy of any reply. But as a matter of courtesy I will appease you...
I am very happily married for 25 years to the same man, I have three grown sons and I definately do not do not "hang out" with any guys. You should never assume to know about people.
some people make me sick
res
[edit on 16-2-2009 by resistancia]
Yes! But - assist the state? Woman is still responsible for PROVING paternity. Not only is it voluntary on the man's part to submit to DNA - woman is solely responsible for the expense of the testing and any legal costs.
Originally posted by donwhite
I’m thinking the issue of paternity comes up 99% of the time in cases of the single mother parent who applies for various forms of public subsistence assistance. In those cases, the mother is REQUIRED to name the father and to agree to appear in court to testify against him as a CONDITION of receiving state aid. The state pays all costs. That is what I had reference to. Very few single woman have sufficient financial resource to support themselves and the child.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Since women are the ones who get pregnant I would think that alone would create the need for them to take the steps to not to. In today’s age where you can prevent pregnancy for 5 years it is a shame that the number of abortions per year have not really changed much since the 1970s.
The same irresponsibility that women use to have the majority of abortion out of conveyance also creates the situation where they have unprotected sex. It is easy to say that the responsibly is equally the man’s too, but then the man is not the one that will get pregnant, so I would think women would take protection a little more personal.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Since women are the ones who get pregnant I would think that alone would create the need for them to take the steps to not to. In today’s age where you can prevent pregnancy for 5 years it is a shame that the number of abortions per year have not really changed much since the 1970s.
The same irresponsibility that women use to have the majority of abortion out of conveyance also creates the situation where they have unprotected sex. It is easy to say that the responsibly is equally the man’s too, but then the man is not the one that will get pregnant, so I would think women would take protection a little more personal.
Originally posted by Annee
You know I always respect your posts Don.
Those are the facts. She still has not received a dime.
DNA testing for Paternity needs to be mandatory - as does child support from the non-custodial parent - no matter what their gender.
Those men who are all angry they got screwed by the woman - - need to start supporting mandatory DNA testing. When they begin to understand it is Everyone's problem - - then maybe I'll have some compassion.
***** the child should never be allowed to be used as a pawn.
Originally posted by Annee
Some mindsets easily prove how far we still have to go - in gender equality.
Even more reason for Right of Choice.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
How about we make a law saying that men can't masturbate anymore because when they do the sperm that dies is killing millions of potential people?
Same difference.