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Is what 'over'?
Are you asking about free-will?
There are about a dozen threads on that.
Originally posted by kerrichin
i do belive though that the woman should not be the one who should always take the blame for mistakes and having the contraception.
the fact is a man can easily walk away a woman can not.
men should take more responsibiltiy when planting their seeds.
Originally posted by kerrichin
you never hear of a man being carted off because he got a girl pregnant or a boy being scorned by the community like girls are when the get pregnant while at school they go on with there normal lives while the girl is heckled and ousted from her community.
Originally posted by kerrichin
also another thought is illegal abortion if it became illegal to have an abortion women and girls who were desperate would go fine an illegal and back alley abortionist.
Originally posted by kerrichin
if the child is kept by the parent that does not want the child will be abused physically and mentally.
Originally posted by kerrichin
and also the world is over populated as it is.
Originally posted by kerrichin
post natal depression can become a problem,
Originally posted by kerrichin
geneside is laughable,
I really don't understand the question.
Is what over?
I think this thread is about abortions. Roe v. Wade was handed down in 1973. Some Christians - not all by any means as many if not most main line Christians see a need for sanitary abortions - have prayed "endlessly" for GOD to stop the killing of innocents.
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by Aermacchi
If You Pray YES and GOD Says NO, Is IT Over?
Perhaps the question is too complex for you? Be not ashamed for I have noted none of the other ANTI Choice proponents have deigned to reply either.
Maybe you all have a GROUP think problem? Or a BLIND spot? Hmm?
If You Pray YES and GOD Says NO, Is IT Over?
Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by Clearskies
I really don't understand the question.
Is what over?
I think this thread is about abortions. Roe v. Wade was handed down in 1973. Some Christians - not all by any means as many if not most main line Christians see a need for sanitary abortions - have prayed "endlessly" for GOD to stop the killing of innocents.
But GOD has not. Stopped abortions. Which I assume Christians think HE could if HE wished to. I must therefore assume GOD is saying "NO!" So it follows, are HIS follower going to accept HIS decision or will they insist they KNOW better than GOD?
Jesus, in one of his last utterances on the cross, said: Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
He did not ask for the Father to stop his death, an innocent. He asked Our Father [Was He - GOD - Not Also Jesus' Father?] for forgiveness for those who nailed Him to the cross, both directly and indirectly.
Perhaps the greatest example of what prayer is about is in Luke 22:42: "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
Originally posted by donwhite
That's all well and good, but what about the FIRST Gospel, Mark? Of which Luke is but an expanded copy complied decades later?
Mark 15. v34. "Toward the close of this darkness, our Lord Jesus, in the agony of his soul, cried out, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
This is the tricky one. If this - crucifixion - was part of the plan from Day 1, this is an ODD remark to make all the more so IF Jesus was there as The Word. More probably Jesus never claimed to be GOD and later followers added that or misunderstood the meaning of Son of God, or Son of Man.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by Clearskies
I really don't understand the question.
Is what over?
I think this thread is about abortions. Roe v. Wade was handed down in 1973. Some Christians - not all by any means as many if not most main line Christians see a need for sanitary abortions - have prayed "endlessly" for GOD to stop the killing of innocents.
But GOD has not. Stopped abortions. Which I assume Christians think HE could if HE wished to. I must therefore assume GOD is saying "NO!" So it follows, are HIS follower going to accept HIS decision or will they insist they KNOW better than GOD?
hee hee wait till saint for god sees this LOL Ill let him rip this one apart. He is much better versed at this kind of thing than I am.
Originally posted by donwhite
reply to post by ProfEmeritus
Jesus, in one of his last utterances on the cross, said: Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
He did not ask for the Father to stop his death, an innocent. He asked Our Father [Was He - GOD - Not Also Jesus' Father?] for forgiveness for those who nailed Him to the cross, both directly and indirectly.
Perhaps the greatest example of what prayer is about is in Luke 22:42: "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."
That's all well and good, but what about the FIRST Gospel, Mark? Of which Luke is but an expanded copy complied decades later?
Mark 15. v34. "Toward the close of this darkness, our Lord Jesus, in the agony of his soul, cried out, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?"
This is the tricky one. If this - crucifixion - was part of the plan from Day 1, this is an ODD remark to make all the more so IF Jesus was there as The Word. More probably Jesus never claimed to be GOD and later followers added that or misunderstood the meaning of Son of God, or Son of Man.
[edit on 2/4/2009 by donwhite]
If You Pray YES and GOD Says NO, Is IT Over?
Mark 15. v34. "Toward the close of this darkness, our Lord Jesus, in the agony of his soul, cried out, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" This is the tricky one. If this - crucifixion - was part of the plan from Day 1, this is an ODD remark to make all the more so IF Jesus was there as The Word. More probably Jesus never claimed to be GOD and later followers added that or misunderstood the meaning of Son of God, or Son of Man.
"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father." (John 10:17-18)
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
You are at a great disadvantage though. Unlikne atheists, Christians have faith, to fill in, where God has chosen not to reveal explanations to us.
Mark 15:39 - Says:
When the officer who stood facing Jesus saw how he gave up his spirit, he said, "Certainly, this man was the Son of God!"
At the moment you are speaking of, Jesus had fully become sin for us, God cannot be in the presence of sin, so the spirit departed from him so his destiny could be fufilled. He became sin, took on all our sins, and died as the payment for them.
At the moment you are speaking of, Jesus had fully become sin for us, God cannot be in the presence of sin, so the spirit departed from him so his destiny could be fulfilled. He became sin, took on all our sins, and died as the payment for them.