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Originally posted by Annee
Since I believe nothing exists but energy consciousness - physical is a creation - it has no bearing on my position.
Consciousness is what gives created biology life.
Energy consciousness is eternal.
Removal of biological cells has no bearing on eternal consciousness.
WHITTIER, Calif. – The woman who gave birth to octuplets this week already had six children but refused the option of reducing the number of embryos she was carrying last year, her mother said. Angela Suleman said good news for her daughter is all the babies appear healthy.
"I looked at those babies. They are so tiny and so beautiful," Suleman told The LA Times on Thursday. Suleman's daughter gave birth to the octuplets Monday at Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center but had requested that doctors keep her name confidential.
She also was counseled about the risks of her pregnancy then in its 12th week and about the option of aborting some fetuses when she arrived at the hospital, Dr. Harold Henry said. Suleman said her daughter had not expected so many embryos to keep developing, but rejected selective reduction.
"What do you suggest she should have done? She refused to have them killed," Suleman told the Times. "That is a very painful thing." Doctors had been expecting only seven babies, but an eighth was born in the Caesarean delivery. Media knew little about the woman until a family acquaintance told CBS' "The Early Show" on Thursday that the mother is "fairly young" and lives with her parents and her six children.
Within hours, media had camped out at the family's home in Whittier, where the babies' grandfather pulled up in a minivan in the evening and briefly spoke to The Associated Press. Beside him were two children a 7-year-old and 6-year-old who said they were excited to have eight new siblings. But the grandfather warned that media may have a tougher time finding the family after the babies are released from the hospital.
Dr. James Grifo, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the NYU School of Medicine, added: "I don't think it's our job to tell them how many babies they're allowed to have. I am not a policeman for reproduction in the United States. My role is to educate patients." For entire story see
news.yahoo.com...
Originally posted by Mdv2
Originally posted by StevenDye
Making gay marriage illegal.
This doesn't affect others.
An age limit on sex-drink-driving.
Drugs that are illegal.
This does affect others and should therefore be forbidden (although soft drugs has shown to cause very few problems and therefore arguable).
Ah yes, death, the ultimate birth control. Is this the case that you're making? Half as smart as the Chinese? It's phenomal that someone's intelligence is based merely upon race.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Supercertari
That's insane. If you can't feed, clothe, or otherwise take care of a child, you have no right bringing it into the living world. I don't understand how people can say that it's better to bring a child into a life of poverty, hardship and basic struggle than to abort the pregnancy.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
That's insane. If you can't feed, clothe, or otherwise take care of a child, you have no right bringing it into the living world. I don't understand how people can say that it's better to bring a child into a life of poverty, hardship and basic struggle than to abort the pregnancy.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Aermacchi
You can make your judgments and decisions based on your belief system. Other people can make their own. You shouldn't be forcing your view on everyone just because you think your way is the right way.
Abortion is a choice. That's the way it should be.
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Abortion is a choice. That's the way it should be.
Originally posted by Xtrozero
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
Abortion is a choice. That's the way it should be.
That is a kind way to say it. Abortion is a choice for death. You can choose life or death for the child...that's it, and when someone says "I'm pro choice" they are actually pro death. So you have pro life or pro death...very simple.
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Aermacchi
You can make your judgments and decisions based on your belief system. Other people can make their own. You shouldn't be forcing your view on everyone just because you think your way is the right way.
Abortion is a choice. That's the way it should be.
This is the same logic the idiots at Nambla are attempting to use in the defense of their "lifestyle"
Sorry girl, that dog won't hunt and if we allowed everyone to do whatever they existentially decided was their right then you need to get your moral compass re-calibrated before you go down that slippery slope
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Aermacchi
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Aermacchi
You can make your judgments and decisions based on your belief system. Other people can make their own. You shouldn't be forcing your view on everyone just because you think your way is the right way.
Abortion is a choice. That's the way it should be.
This is the same logic the idiots at Nambla are attempting to use in the defense of their "lifestyle"
Sorry girl, that dog won't hunt and if we allowed everyone to do whatever they existentially decided was their right then you need to get your moral compass re-calibrated before you go down that slippery slope
Nambla involves - a person outside your own personal life.
This in no way relates.
Originally posted by donwhite
Don't think of it as death. Think of it as a FedEx SAME DAY DELIVERY ticket to Heaven!
Originally posted by TasteTheMagick
reply to post by Aermacchi
You can make your judgments and decisions based on your belief system. Other people can make their own. You shouldn't be forcing your view on everyone just because you think your way is the right way.
Abortion is a choice. That's the way it should be.